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#39704 - 08/15/14 11:27 AM The Ten Essentials
Bob West Offline


Registered: 11/13/09
Posts: 828
Loc: Bishop, CA, USA
The recent posts regarding prepared-ness in the mountains brought this to mind:

http://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/ten-essentials.html

How many of you carry what are regarded as the essentials, and if not, why not? If you carry the "ten", what extras do you bring?

Even on a little day-hike, I carry the "ten", my Enzo Trapper bush-craft knife and flint, and adequate food, so that I can survive at least one night in the event I have an accident.

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#39705 - 08/15/14 11:42 AM Re: The Ten Essentials [Re: Bob West]
Steve C Offline


Registered: 09/22/09
Posts: 7590
Loc: Fresno, CA
Good topic, Bob!

For convenience, here are the two lists from the REI site:

Updated Ten Essential "Systems"
  1. Navigation (map and compass)
  2. Sun protection (sunglasses and sunscreen)
  3. Insulation (extra clothing)
  4. Illumination (headlamp/flashlight)
  5. First-aid supplies
  6. Fire (waterproof matches/lighter/candles)
  7. Repair kit and tools
  8. Nutrition (extra food)
  9. Hydration (extra water)
  10. Emergency shelter

Classic Ten Essentials
  1. Map
  2. Compass
  3. Sunglasses and sunscreen
  4. Extra clothing
  5. Headlamp/flashlight
  6. First-aid supplies
  7. Firestarter
  8. Matches
  9. Knife
  10. Extra food


My own additions:
A hat is mandatory. Sunglasses are optional, unless in snow or at a beach.
Fire: If a lighter, make SURE there is a second, or backup matches.
For solo hiking off trail or off main routes: I would highly recommend carrying and using a SPOT satellite signal unit.



Edited by Steve C (08/15/14 11:53 AM)

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#39708 - 08/15/14 12:14 PM Re: The Ten Essentials [Re: Steve C]
wazzu Offline


Registered: 06/20/10
Posts: 319
Loc: Orange County, CA
The first Ten Essential list I was given included a whistle on the list. The sound of a whistle can carry farther than a human voice and can aid searchers to your location.

It's interesting how the Ten Essentials are slightly different, depending on the source.

However, a very important 11th essential: Toilet Paper. wink

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#39709 - 08/15/14 12:14 PM Re: The Ten Essentials [Re: Bob West]
Danielle Offline


Registered: 04/23/14
Posts: 8
Loc: CA
We always carry spare rope, too. Seems to always come in handy for one thing or another.

Also, always spare batteries for the headlamps, and some duct tape wrapped around a pen.

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#39713 - 08/15/14 01:25 PM Re: The Ten Essentials [Re: Danielle]
63ChevyII.com Offline


Registered: 08/07/12
Posts: 670
Loc: Colton, California
Originally Posted By: Danielle
and some duct tape wrapped around a pen.


I donated my mini roll of duct tape to a couple on Clouds Rest last weekend.

They were young and unprepared(I'd guess 18-20). The sole of the girls sneakers had completely separated from her shoe and as a result, they had spent a cold night up there. When we saw them they were trying to use some extra shoes laces to cobble something together.

...that reminds me, I better put another roll in my emergency kit. In the past I've wrapped duct tape around one of hiking poles.


I carry too much stuff, but here are the lists I work off of usually. I never carry everything on the list, I just like to have a list of things that I might want to carry - lessens that chances of forgetting something.

Winter Day Hike
Summer Day Hike (cold weather)
(Cold)Summer Day Hike
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#39726 - 08/15/14 08:03 PM Re: The Ten Essentials [Re: 63ChevyII.com]
Harvey Lankford Offline


Registered: 11/10/09
Posts: 1017
Loc: Richmond, Virginia
Steve, I do not know if the two lists you copied from REI are meant to be in any sort of order, but we always taught Scouts that shelter was number 1. So an emergency bivy sack , tarp , etc could save your life long before the other items would get used. I suppose a tourniquet might be another #1.

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#39738 - 08/17/14 08:57 AM Re: The Ten Essentials [Re: Harvey Lankford]
wbtravis Offline


Registered: 09/22/09
Posts: 1253
Loc: Corner of Jack Benny and Roche...
Classic list...everything, updated list most things, most of the time. Missing from the second list is emergency shelter and waterproof matches.

I have a fire starter with me at all times...it's called Purrell.

What is missing from all these list is toilet paper and a trowel. The latter is required when entering a wilderness area, believe it or not.

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#39743 - 08/17/14 12:38 PM Re: The Ten Essentials [Re: wbtravis]
Ken Offline


Registered: 10/29/09
Posts: 742
Loc: Los Angeles

a trowel.
"The latter is required when entering a wilderness area, believe it or not."

<rolling on the ground, laughing>

Where do you get this stuff?

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#39744 - 08/17/14 01:44 PM Re: The Ten Essentials [Re: Ken]
wbtravis Offline


Registered: 09/22/09
Posts: 1253
Loc: Corner of Jack Benny and Roche...
Ken,

When you get up off the floor, head out to the San Gorgonio Wilderness. A list of 16 rules are given out with every walk-in hiking permit. Pay special attention to #10. Then, read the sentence in bold letters immediately below the 16th rule.

Report back to the group what it says about a shovel.

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#39745 - 08/17/14 03:14 PM Re: The Ten Essentials [Re: wbtravis]
Bob West Offline


Registered: 11/13/09
Posts: 828
Loc: Bishop, CA, USA
Yep...

http://www.sgwa.org/impact.htm

The section under "Waste" indicates that it is a violation not to carry a small camp shovel in the S.G. Wilderness. I guess a trowel qualifies.

Like Sgt. Friday used to say, "Just the facts, just the facts."



Edited by Bob West (08/17/14 03:19 PM)

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#39749 - 08/17/14 05:16 PM Re: The Ten Essentials [Re: Bob West]
Ken Offline


Registered: 10/29/09
Posts: 742
Loc: Los Angeles
If you guys look at the sites you have cited you will find that the section of the federal code cited has no words whatsoever relating to trowels.

36 CFR 261.58(e)

Just google it.

Or ask BobR. When he is done laughing, he'll explain how he has been a felon for most of his hiking life.

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#39751 - 08/17/14 05:43 PM Re: The Ten Essentials [Re: Ken]
Steve C Offline


Registered: 09/22/09
Posts: 7590
Loc: Fresno, CA
Ken, I did some searching. I found this the text below, from http://cfr.vlex.com/vid/261-58-occupancy-and-use-19770747 ...Edit: The U.S. Gov. Printing Office has this PDF

I have bolded the text that seems relevant. 261.58(e) simply prohibits camping when designated by an "Order". It appears to me that SGWA maybe should revisit or correct their regs.

Quote:
36 CFR 261.58 - Occupancy and use.

Title 36: Parks, Forests, and Public Property

CHAPTER II: FOREST SERVICE, DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE

PART 261: PROHIBITIONS

Subpart B: Prohibitions in Areas Designated by Order

261.58 - Occupancy and use.

When provided by an order, the following are prohibited:

(a) Camping for a period longer than allowed by the order.

(b) Entering or using a developed recreation site or portion thereof.

(c) Entering or remaining in a campground during night periods prescribed in the order except for persons who are occupying such campgrounds.

(d) Occupying a developed recreation site with prohibited camping equipment prescribed by the order.

(e) Camping.

(f) Using a campsite or other area described in the order by more than the number of users allowed by the order.

(g) Parking or leaving a vehicle in violation of posted instructions.

(h) Parking or leaving a vehicle outside a parking space assigned to one's own camp unit.

(i) Possessing, parking or leaving more than two vehicles, except motorcycles or bicycles per camp unit.

(j) Being publicly nude.

(k) Entering or being in a body of water.

(l) Being in the area after sundown or before sunrise.

(m) Discharging a firearm, air rifle, or gas gun.

(n) Possessing or operating a motorboat.

(o) Water skiing.

(p) Storing or leaving a boat or raft.

(q) Operating any watercraft in excess of a posted speed limit.

(r) Launching a boat except at a designated launching ramp.

(s) Possessing, storing, or transporting any bird, fish, or other animal or parts thereof, as specified in the order.

(t) Possessing, storing, or transporting any part of a tree or other plant, as specified in the order.

(u) Being in the area between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m. except a person who is camping or who is visiting a person camping in that area.

(v) Hunting or fishing.

(w) Possessing or transporting any motor or mechanical device capable of propelling a watercraft through water by any means.

(x) Using any wheel, roller, or other mechanical device for the overland transportation of any watercraft.

(y) Landing of aircraft, or dropping or picking up any material, supplies, or person by means of an aircraft, including a helicopter.

(z) Entering or being on lands or waters within the boundaries of a component of the National Wild and Scenic Rivers System.

(aa) Riding, hitching, tethering or hobbling a horse or other saddle or pack animal in violation of posted instructions.

(bb) Possessing a beverage which is defined as an alcoholic beverage by State law.

(cc) Possessing or storing any food or refuse, as specified in the order.

(dd) [Reserved]

(ee) Depositing any body waste in caves except into receptacles provided for that purpose.

[42 FR 2597, Jan. 14, 1977, as amended at 42 FR 35959, July 13, 1977; 43 FR 32136, July 25, 1978; 46 FR 33521, June 30, 1981; 52 FR 19347, May 22, 1987; 59 FR 31152, June 17, 1994]


Edited by Steve C (08/17/14 05:47 PM)

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#39754 - 08/17/14 06:22 PM Re: The Ten Essentials [Re: Steve C]
Akichow Offline


Registered: 04/07/10
Posts: 659
Loc: SF Bay Area
Duct tape has to be the 11th essential.

I'd also add signaling device--Mirror. An iPod screen can be used in a pinch. But my mirror is .5 ounces.

I use Chapstick as firestarter. Just put a little on paper, a leaf, whatever, and light it up. Napalm. Fritos and Doritos work well too. They burn for a loooooongggg time.



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#39755 - 08/17/14 06:36 PM Re: The Ten Essentials [Re: Ken]
wbtravis Offline


Registered: 09/22/09
Posts: 1253
Loc: Corner of Jack Benny and Roche...
Take up with the San Bernardino Forest manager, Ken.

I think it is silly but that is what is handed out.


Edited by wbtravis (08/17/14 06:39 PM)

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#39758 - 08/17/14 08:12 PM Re: The Ten Essentials [Re: Steve C]
saltydog Offline


Registered: 02/03/11
Posts: 1559
Loc: Valley Ford CA!!!!
Originally Posted By: Steve C
It appears to me that SGWA maybe should revisit or correct their regs.



SGWA doesn't have or issue regs. They are a private non-profit with no authority whatever that I can discern. They can be, and apparently are, just as misinformed as anyone else. Like Inyo and the IAVC about the WAG bag "requirement", for example. That one is even in the Inyo NF official publications, and its wrong. It pays ( or at least it should) to go straight to the CFR.


Edited by saltydog (08/17/14 08:19 PM)
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#39761 - 08/17/14 08:45 PM Re: The Ten Essentials [Re: Steve C]
eje67 Offline


Registered: 07/09/14
Posts: 73
Loc: Los Angeles County
FWIW:

* A "Forest Supervisor may issue orders which close or restrict the use of described areas within the area over which he has jurisdiction. An order may close an area to entry or may restrict the use of an area by applying any or all of the prohibitions authorized in this subpart or any portion thereof." 36 C.F.R. 261.50(a).

* One of the authorized prohibitions is "camping." 36 C.F.R. 261.58(e).

* Another authorized prohibition is "[e]ntering an area without any firefighting tool prescribed by the order." 36 C.F.R. 261.52(g).

* In 1996 the Forest Supervisor for the San Bernardino National Forest issued an order prohibiting, among other acts: "[n]ot having a shovel or hand trowel in possession for burying human waste and fire control during overnight camping." San Bernardino National Forest restriction order no. 3, paragraph 1.

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#39768 - 08/18/14 07:32 AM Re: The Ten Essentials [Re: Steve C]
Akichow Offline


Registered: 04/07/10
Posts: 659
Loc: SF Bay Area
This post about the 10 essentials appears to be morphing into another (variety of the) wag bag debate, together with the oft-expressed beliefs re abuse of governmental power.

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#39770 - 08/18/14 07:42 AM Re: The Ten Essentials [Re: eje67]
wbtravis Offline


Registered: 09/22/09
Posts: 1253
Loc: Corner of Jack Benny and Roche...
Originally Posted By: eje67
FWIW:

* A "Forest Supervisor may issue orders which close or restrict the use of described areas within the area over which he has jurisdiction. An order may close an area to entry or may restrict the use of an area by applying any or all of the prohibitions authorized in this subpart or any portion thereof." 36 C.F.R. 261.50(a).

* One of the authorized prohibitions is "camping." 36 C.F.R. 261.58(e).

* Another authorized prohibition is "[e]ntering an area without any firefighting tool prescribed by the order." 36 C.F.R. 261.52(g).

* In 1996 the Forest Supervisor for the San Bernardino National Forest issued an order prohibiting, among other acts: "[n]ot having a shovel or hand trowel in possession for burying human waste and fire control during overnight camping." San Bernardino National Forest restriction order no. 3, paragraph 1.



Hmmm...I seem to be right about that one.

Thanks, eje67 for your research into origin of "rule #10".

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#39781 - 08/18/14 11:20 AM Re: The Ten Essentials [Re: wbtravis]
eje67 Offline


Registered: 07/09/14
Posts: 73
Loc: Los Angeles County
Originally Posted By: wbtravis
Hmmm...I seem to be right about that one.


Well...to pick a nit or two the no camping without a trowel prohibition is specific to the SB Nat'l Forest and applies only during overnight camping. ; )

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#39782 - 08/18/14 11:32 AM Re: The Ten Essentials [Re: wbtravis]
Ken Offline


Registered: 10/29/09
Posts: 742
Loc: Los Angeles
So, required possession of a firefighting tool has been morphed into an unauthorized requirement of a burying human waste tool, by calling it a firefighting tool. I imagine they'll require everyone to carry a thimble, under the requirement of having a bucket.

Hmmmm.

I gotta tell my fire friends. They'll get a big laugh out of this.

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