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#54098 - 08/16/18 04:13 PM Gambler's Special plane crash hike September 2018
dtfranco Offline


Registered: 09/29/11
Posts: 7
Loc: So CAl
Planning on hiking up next month, likely the weekend of 9/22. I have been to the site twice, for a total of 2 hours. I plan on spending 2 nights there this time. It is fascinating to see ALL the pieces of the plane, in great condition, weather-wise (not crash-wise) after 50 winters on the mountain.

I may try to get to Tulainyo Lake from there as a day trip. I don't know if that is possible.

I am trying to talk some hiking friends into going, as I won't go alone.

If anyone is interested in this butt-kicker of a hike (think 6 straight hours on a stairmaster, nothing technical at all, just up, up, up with every step) and a holy grail of wreckchasing (very physical hike = very few people have been there = 99% complete plane), let me know. "Trailhead" (there is no trail, TBH) is at the end of Hogback road.

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#54100 - 08/16/18 05:28 PM Re: Gambler's Special plane crash hike September 2018 [Re: dtfranco]
Steve C Offline


Registered: 09/22/09
Posts: 7577
Loc: Fresno, CA
Good luck, DT! I see you were the one reporting the last trip report, from 2015.

As for Tulainyo Lake, it looks possible looking at the topo maps. I'd head over the ridge to the west-southwest to that little tarn/pond, and from there the ridge to the west doesn't look too difficult.

I've carried a backpack over Russell/Carillon pass (heading southward), so I know that part works.

I've always wondered if heading up the North Fork Lone Pine creek (the Mountaineers Route), and then heading up Carillon Creek from Lower Boy Scout might be easier than starting from Hogback. You sure start at a higher point! Good luck!

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#54103 - 08/16/18 08:50 PM Re: Gambler's Special plane crash hike September 2018 [Re: Steve C]
dtfranco Offline


Registered: 09/29/11
Posts: 7
Loc: So CAl
Thanks for the advice. We tried the Carillon Creek way once before, but couldn't figure out a way over the top. That said, we camped in a beautiful meadow most of the way up to to No-Name Lake up Carillon way. The trip was not wasted.

I have some unfinished business at the crash site. This may be my last time there.

Good luck on your next hike.

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#54140 - 08/27/18 02:56 PM Re: Gambler's Special plane crash hike September 2018 [Re: Steve C]
pcieluch Offline


Registered: 08/29/16
Posts: 38
Loc: duluth,mn
Can you circle the site on Google Earth? I would like to see the location. Thanks Steve.

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#54141 - 08/27/18 03:41 PM Re: Gambler's Special plane crash hike September 2018 [Re: pcieluch]
Steve C Offline


Registered: 09/22/09
Posts: 7577
Loc: Fresno, CA
Originally Posted By: pcieluch
Can you circle the site on Google Earth? I would like to see the location. Thanks Steve.


Here's a Google Maps link. I think that is a wing.

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#54144 - 08/28/18 11:38 AM Re: Gambler's Special plane crash hike September 2018 [Re: Steve C]
dtfranco Offline


Registered: 09/29/11
Posts: 7
Loc: So CAl
Yep. There is another wing in the pic to the left.

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#54239 - 09/13/18 10:04 AM Re: Gambler's Special plane crash hike September 2018 [Re: dtfranco]
dtfranco Offline


Registered: 09/29/11
Posts: 7
Loc: So CAl
Found a climbing partner! Getting to trailhead (there really is no trail) Wednesday night.

This will be a much more explorative trip, now that I have been there and have had a few years to think about what to do next time.

Will try to explore impact point, see more propellers (about 6 feet tall, 100 lbs or so each. We have seen 1 of the 6), explore the lower levels of the rock pile/current plane resting site, where small stuff has filtered down to.

I hope this fulfills my fascination with this site. The hike is so brutal.

Looking forward to the Mammoth lakes Oktoberfest when we climb down on Saturday.

:o)

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#54409 - 10/10/18 11:28 AM Re: Gambler's Special plane crash hike September 2018 [Re: dtfranco]
futbol Offline


Registered: 06/27/17
Posts: 51
Loc: San Diego, CA
I scouted this out a month ago from where the trail ends and the bushwhacking begins at Hogback Creek. I'm seriously considering trying to get up to this crash site next week.

At the visitor center a USFS rep said that they don't issue overnight permits specifically for Hogback creek, but a George Creek permit would cover me for that area, as long as I didn't touch the Whitney Zone.

Since the crash site is not along the creek, but appears to be around a ridge line, on Google Maps and on a contour map, how and where do you leave the creek and head east to the site? It looks to be below the Cleaver east of Lake Tulainyo.

Would a bear canister be needed up this creek?

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#54410 - 10/10/18 11:37 AM Re: Gambler's Special plane crash hike September 2018 [Re: futbol]
Steve C Offline


Registered: 09/22/09
Posts: 7577
Loc: Fresno, CA
futbol, There is snow covering everything up there now -- look at the picture in the Current Conditions thread.

I think you should wait until next summer.

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#54411 - 10/10/18 01:01 PM Re: Gambler's Special plane crash hike September 2018 [Re: Steve C]
futbol Offline


Registered: 06/27/17
Posts: 51
Loc: San Diego, CA
Thanks Steve. That's another thing I was concerned about.

I guess I'll try a different trail next week.

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#54413 - 10/10/18 06:43 PM Re: Gambler's Special plane crash hike September 2018 [Re: futbol]
DUG Offline


Registered: 09/22/09
Posts: 370
Loc: Wildomar
Originally Posted By: futbol
I scouted this out a month ago from where the trail ends and the bushwhacking begins at Hogback Creek. I'm seriously considering trying to get up to this crash site next week.

At the visitor center a USFS rep said that they don't issue overnight permits specifically for Hogback creek, but a George Creek permit would cover me for that area, as long as I didn't touch the Whitney Zone.

Since the crash site is not along the creek, but appears to be around a ridge line, on Google Maps and on a contour map, how and where do you leave the creek and head east to the site? It looks to be below the Cleaver east of Lake Tulainyo.

Would a bear canister be needed up this creek?



If you don't know exactly where the site is, don't go. Even if you do know exactly where it is, it's pretty tough to get to. There's usually just a 3-4 week window to make the trip every year, unless you want to see mostly snow. Parts of the site never really melt out. There are a couple key turns in the route that you don't want to miss. You will find that wreck chasing is nothing like hiking - no one is going to give you much help getting there until you've proven you are trustworthy. Especially this site. There are still human remains there. Items have already been pilfered. As Steve mentioned, the opportunity for this year has passed...........................DUG

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#54415 - 10/10/18 07:25 PM Re: Gambler's Special plane crash hike September 2018 [Re: DUG]
futbol Offline


Registered: 06/27/17
Posts: 51
Loc: San Diego, CA
Originally Posted By: DUG
Originally Posted By: futbol
I scouted this out a month ago from where the trail ends and the bushwhacking begins at Hogback Creek. I'm seriously considering trying to get up to this crash site next week.

At the visitor center a USFS rep said that they don't issue overnight permits specifically for Hogback creek, but a George Creek permit would cover me for that area, as long as I didn't touch the Whitney Zone.

Since the crash site is not along the creek, but appears to be around a ridge line, on Google Maps and on a contour map, how and where do you leave the creek and head east to the site? It looks to be below the Cleaver east of Lake Tulainyo.

Would a bear canister be needed up this creek?



If you don't know exactly where the site is, don't go. Even if you do know exactly where it is, it's pretty tough to get to. There's usually just a 3-4 week window to make the trip every year, unless you want to see mostly snow. Parts of the site never really melt out. There are a couple key turns in the route that you don't want to miss. You will find that wreck chasing is nothing like hiking - no one is going to give you much help getting there until you've proven you are trustworthy. Especially this site. There are still human remains there. Items have already been pilfered. As Steve mentioned, the opportunity for this year has passed...........................DUG


Thanks DUG.

Wow, I just assumed that the crews cleaning up after this in the '60's would have at least recovered the human remains, even with the limited resources they had.

I can understand propellers, fuselage, and all kinds of small items to be still laying around.

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#54416 - 10/10/18 08:52 PM Re: Gambler's Special plane crash hike September 2018 [Re: futbol]
DUG Offline


Registered: 09/22/09
Posts: 370
Loc: Wildomar
Originally Posted By: futbol
Originally Posted By: DUG
Originally Posted By: futbol
I scouted this out a month ago from where the trail ends and the bushwhacking begins at Hogback Creek. I'm seriously considering trying to get up to this crash site next week.

At the visitor center a USFS rep said that they don't issue overnight permits specifically for Hogback creek, but a George Creek permit would cover me for that area, as long as I didn't touch the Whitney Zone.

Since the crash site is not along the creek, but appears to be around a ridge line, on Google Maps and on a contour map, how and where do you leave the creek and head east to the site? It looks to be below the Cleaver east of Lake Tulainyo.

Would a bear canister be needed up this creek?



If you don't know exactly where the site is, don't go. Even if you do know exactly where it is, it's pretty tough to get to. There's usually just a 3-4 week window to make the trip every year, unless you want to see mostly snow. Parts of the site never really melt out. There are a couple key turns in the route that you don't want to miss. You will find that wreck chasing is nothing like hiking - no one is going to give you much help getting there until you've proven you are trustworthy. Especially this site. There are still human remains there. Items have already been pilfered. As Steve mentioned, the opportunity for this year has passed...........................DUG


Thanks DUG.

Wow, I just assumed that the crews cleaning up after this in the '60's would have at least recovered the human remains, even with the limited resources they had.

I can understand propellers, fuselage, and all kinds of small items to be still laying around.



They did the best they could given the conditions when it was found. I have a few pics of the day they found it.............................................DUG

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