Mt Whitney Zone
Posted By: Bee Cold weather and circulation - 10/07/09 04:57 AM
I am glad that you like the pics -- I thought of you and your upcoming trip. I will be climbing Mt Hoffman this weekend AND doing a little aclimatizing for next week at the same time, but what I am not sure of is if they are still allowing overnight parking on Tioga rd (I will be driving it yet again next week on my way to "The Zone".

My issues with camping these days(I do a LOT of it -- almost every weekend)is that since I am a slightly built person, I get cold at ridiculously high temps (you should see the layers I have set out for this week and next)I tried to put some weight on this year, but I lost it all by the end of the summer, so here I am getting ready to freeze to death for another winter season..


Edit: This post has been moved from the Going Camping thread, since the topic has morphed into a different and interesting subject.
Posted By: Rod Re: Cold weather and circulation - 10/07/09 05:27 AM
Well you seem to survive somehow every year Bee.I have been reading about how viagra increases circulation in men. I wonder if it would have the same increase circulation and warming of extremeties in women.I am not aware if there are any contraindications for use of viagra in women.I will research that.I know it is containdicated with certain heart medications and High Blood pressure beta blockers meds.Being a Chiropractor I am not one to ever encourage the use of medications but if there are no side effects or contraindications for use in women viagra might warm up those extremities. Just a thought.I know they are talking about banning its use in in Olympic endurance and alpine events.
Posted By: Bee Re: Going Camping - 10/07/09 05:43 AM
Wow, Rod, this IS some interesting info! I would bee very appreciative if you could give me any info tht you find out about the alternate use of Viagra. The only meds that I take are Diamox -- which I hate, because it makes my hands feel crazy. The cold has been a problem all of my life; I used to be a working (scuba) Dive Master, but my incidence of hypothermia was so regular that it was not worth the misery. (I experimented with Dry suits, but the neck dam caused my gag reflex to reflex uncontrollably...sigh) Anyhow, currently, I am pleased with my Hot Chilies thermals, and I recently bought a down vest to go over my 60mph fleece..!
Posted By: Rod Re: Going Camping - 10/07/09 03:31 PM
There was a discussion on the WPS board reagrding viagra helping to overcome exhaustion and how cyclist are using it as a performance enhancer.It is a vasodilator would causes feeling flushed and even headaches as a mild side effect.I'll research today if I get a break at work today.
Posted By: Rod Re: Going Camping - 10/07/09 07:38 PM
I remember reading this ped(performing enhancing drugs) guide for dummies in ESPN magazine.Here is a link. i am not sure if the link will work for you since this is a members only site.It wouldn't let me copy and paste it so here is the link to the magazine article. Hope it works.If it works click on sildenafil citrate.
Posted By: Steve C Re: Going Camping - 10/07/09 07:43 PM
Rod, all I could get was the teaser.
News of performance enhancing drugs pops up all too often these days. But to yap about them is to not understand them. Here's a quick (and dirty) cheat sheet for navigating tomorrow's headlines. And, please don't try these at home.

Have to log in to read more.
Posted By: Rod Re: Going Camping - 10/07/09 07:51 PM
I was afraid that the link would only open to my IP address since it is a subscription magazine.
Here is a better link with more information.ESPN basically stated viagra is a vaso dilator and used by cyclists and is about to be banned from sports competitions.
Posted By: Rod Re: Going Camping - 10/07/09 07:56 PM
And another article
Posted By: Rod Re: Cold weather and circulation - 10/07/09 08:01 PM
Viagra is popping up with all ki ...Posted Nov 10 2008 4:17pm Viagra is popping up with all kinds of potential other beneficial uses, even though we all know that is it marketed primarily as an ED Drug.

If the benefits keep mounting I wonder if perhaps someday the ED side of things might evolve to being a popular side effect, in other words, could be someday see new warnings? Could Viagra truly someday be the miracle drug that will take care of your heart and blood pressure conditions and at the same time give you a wonderful new sex life? Hmmmmm....well, have to think a bit more on that one, but one thing for sure, we could certainly perhaps begin to start seeing two fold advertising come along some day, "want the best of both worlds"... just some idling thoughts here on the evolving world of Pharma. BD

The cellular response to Viagra may be harnessed to help create new anticoagulant therapies, according to an article released on August 26, 2008 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS.)
Viagra Shows New Potential To Prevent Clots

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Posted By: Rod Re: Cold weather and circulation - 10/07/09 08:03 PM
Here is a really good article on the subject

I just googled "performance enhancing effect of viagra" and all kinds of articles are available.
Posted By: wagga Re: Cold weather and circulation - 10/08/09 12:16 AM
Some time ago, thieves in London hi-jacked a truckload of Viagra.

Police are still looking for a gang of hardened criminals.
Posted By: Bee Re: Cold weather and circulation - 10/08/09 02:47 AM
I wonder how Viagra and Diamox would mix (sheesh, I sound like a basket case; some peeps scorn the use of drugs for "fun" -- maybe I had better delet this before we go "Public")

Posted By: Rod Re: Cold weather and circulation - 10/08/09 03:42 AM
Well the question we are trying to answer Bee is if there is a safe drug available that will increase your circulation so you don't have to freeze while winter camping. While this topic certainly invites lots of potential joke opportunities it is a serious subject matter.Viagra has been shown to have the abilty to increase peripheal circulation. The abilty to bring blood to the extremities not only serves as a performance enhancer by delivering more blood to the muscles but should also help keep head,hands and feet warmer.It certainly causes facial and torso flushing which is obvious vaso dilation.There are many athletes using it for the ability to incresae periperal circulation. Just throwing out a thought that has been discussed a lot in terms of a viable use of viagra.
Posted By: Bee Re: Cold weather and circulation - 10/08/09 03:54 AM
I have not really been able to address this circulation problem very successfully, because 1)those who have witnessed it (my hands turn blue at seemingly high temps) become excessively alarmed and overreact 2) the docs have "simply" stated "than don't do that" ("that" being the thing I love to do: hike/camp 4-season)

The reaction was the same dismissive attitude for years, when it came to my issues with AMS, and than along came Diamox and Alice's Looking glass was opened for me, too. I was persistant and pushed, until finally a doctor friend gave me the biggest bottle of diamox as a birthday present.(I have so much of stuff that I will probably have to mention it in a living will)

I appreciate the info that you have given me a head start on, Rod.

Posted By: Rod Re: Cold weather and circulation - 10/08/09 05:59 AM
There are natural nutritional products that aid circulation also Bee.I will do a thorough search for you.There are some Cayenne products that aid circulation. I use a product called KM which delivers oxygen to the blood. It was developed by an alpine climber to oxygenate the blood.I swear it is the reason I climbed MW successfully my 1st time without any time spent acclimating.It is a liquid that tastes kind of nasty but it works amazing to oxygenate the blood.Of course I think you need more volume of blood delivered to your extremities.Having more oxygen would at least keep your hands from turning blue.
Posted By: VersatileFred Re: Cold weather and circulation - 10/08/09 06:00 AM
Originally Posted By: Bee
maybe I had better delete this before we go "Public")

I found a link to the message board on Google tonight.
Posted By: Bee Re: Cold weather and circulation - 10/08/09 06:08 AM
It's only a matter of time before it becomes part of the mainstream search under "whitney"...
Posted By: hypoxic Zombie Re: Cold weather and circulation - 11/07/09 04:31 PM
Wagga,Im shure if the lads are caught the penalty will be stiff! blush
Posted By: Rod Re: Cold weather and circulation - 11/07/09 04:39 PM
Thats no "penalty" that is the reward.
Just a side note I had a patient come into my office with a stiff neck. Apparently his viagra got stuck in his throat.
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