Mt Whitney Zone
Posted By: Steve C Conditions Mt Whitney Trail, 2017 - 01/02/17 05:40 PM
        Mt Whitney Trail Conditions -- 2017

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Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 01/28/17 06:26 AM
Posted on Instagram by lizsb90 on Jan 1, 2017.

Notice the spindrift of the Whitney summit!







Doug from the Whitney Portal Store shared pictures here.

Here's a picture of the trail head structure. Jan 24, 2017.




And the store:


Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 01/28/17 06:31 AM
Oh, and Whitney Portal is ONLY accessible on foot, until sometime in spring when they can clear this massive rockslide.

Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 02/19/17 07:59 PM
This picture taken Friday, Feb 17, 2017, posted on Facebook by Valentino I.

He hiked up Whitney Portal Road past the rockslide.

The posts below have been moved from the main Current Conditions thread for trail reports during 2016. (Posts are moved periodically after they no longer represent current conditions.)

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    Whitney Main Trail Conditions 2016
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    Whitney Main Trail Conditions 2011
Can anyone relate this to the last big snow year (2011)?

Looking at the snowplot, it looks to be on an all time curve
2017 Snowplot
Posted By: John Sims Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 02/21/17 01:34 AM
Whitney area is not getting as hard hit as Tahoe, but Donner is forecast to get 40" new snow tonight. And there are more storms coming.
San Francisco achieved their normal annual total yesterday.
Mammoth has already eclipsed last year by 100", and last year was a "good" year.
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 02/21/17 06:28 AM
Recent pictures -- from the Mountaineers Route (North Fork Lone Pine Creek). Most people don't use the Main Trail in winter.

This posted on Instagram by elevatedtv
Caption: Lower Boy Scout Lake
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Also from "elevatedtv", Mt Whitney, from below Lower Boy Scout Lake. "4-6ft base above 10k feet"
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 02/21/17 06:38 AM
Posted on Instagram on Feb 14, 2017, by monkeyonamountain

"Here's the moon setting over the Mount Whitney Massif this morning. This was about 20 minutes before sunrise. Love the feeling of touring under the stars. Stepping up towards the moon feels super surreal. Lucky to be out there with friends and the pow skiing was all time!"

Ugh! Beautiful shots!

I can't wait until next winter once I'm out of school, I can finally get back out.
Posted By: Anonymous1 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 02/21/17 05:06 PM
That picture from LBSL is absolutely gorgeous!
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 03/10/17 04:07 PM
Here's a picture posted March 9, on Instagram by pkmcampbell

It is taken looking up from Lower Boy Scout Lake on the North Fork Lone Pine Creek (the Mountaineers Route). The skier is descending over a huge boulder field that requires careful navigation in the summer!

Caption: "Last earned turns of the season coming down from Mt Whitney"





Another pic posted by pkmcampbell:
"Finally reached the top of Mt Whitney. Fantastic cap to the skimo season with @mountain_doc"
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 03/27/17 06:18 PM
Posted on FB by Chris Simpson

Quote:
Pickin's are great on Whitney at the moment. Snow coverage from Meysan Lakes. North Fork was 90% filled in which was very nice. Deep consolidated snow all the way up to the coulior. Was able to glissade 80% of the mountain! Last push was in great shape. No pro used but a few nice rap stations in place. Take advantage of the conditions while they last.


This is a picture from the Mountaineer's Route approach, a little ways above (and south of) Upper Boy Scout Lake. It is NOT part of the Main Mt. Whitney Trail, which is on the other side of the ridge to the south (left side of picture).

Posted By: RenoFrank Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 03/28/17 01:53 AM
Originally Posted By: Steve C

This is a picture from the Mountaineer's Route approach. It is NOT part of the Main Mt. Whitney Trail, which is on the other side of the ridge to the south (left side of picture).

Is this pic just below Iceberg Lake?
Originally Posted By: RenoFrank
Is this pic just below Iceberg Lake?

Yes
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 04/02/17 06:58 AM
The Whitney Portal Road is now "soft closed" -- that is the locked gate is open, but the Road Closed sign is up. That leaves it up to the driver to decide whether or not to pass the sign. If you do go, you are taking on all the risk -- it gets expensive if your car gets stuck up there. If any new snow falls, or fresh rockfall appears, it could be many days before it is removed.

However, current reports show that you can drive up to the snow line -- almost to Whitney Portal.

Here's a picture from Egor G on Facebook, posted April 3, showing cars parked along the road near Whitney Portal:

Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 04/03/17 04:35 PM
Pictures from Igor G on Facebook, posted Apr 4. (Again, NOT the Main Trail, but the Mountaineers Route)

Pictures caption: "Whitney via the mountaineers route. Great snow conditions, if not perfect! An overnight at the iceberg lake. Highly recommended!"

This is a view of the "Final 400" section of the Mountaineer's Route -- not the Main Trail.


Topping out:

Posted By: turns Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 04/28/17 02:13 AM
Found this video on YouTube from 4/23/17 (credit Brandon Riza). Incredible snow at LBSL!


Posted By: Tyler Bee Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/01/17 09:15 PM
climbed mountaineer's route 4/28 and 4/29. summary follows.

road is easily driveable all the way to the portal by any vehicle. bathrooms open. water spigots not running. Portal store was closed. Trail was snow free until the north fork of Lone Pine Creek junction. There appeared to be relatively continuous snow on the main trail after that point.

on the MR: highest accessible liquid water was at lower boy scout lake. good snow coverage from about 9400 all the way to the summit. the area just below the recent slide looks like it could be suspect as the sun angle gets higher and there are some warm days. we noticed some wet/loose slides in the basin around iceberg lake that slid sometime between 8am and 1pm on 4/29. a few areas to be careful of during the warmest parts of the day

on the final 400 there is one section of exposed rock that is somewhat tricky to manage. a larg-ish party was belaying through this section. we did it unprotected but the rope seems useful for less confident parties. above that rock section it is very steep but the snow conditions were firm and there were an abundance of nicely kicked steps leading to the plateau

THE SUMMIT HUT IS ALMOST ENTIRELY FULL OF SNOW. the door has become detached. do not count on getting much shelter inside of the hut (could fit 2 people max)

no marmots spotted on our trip. main trail appeared passable but I can not say for sure

Posted By: Philippe Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/01/17 09:20 PM
Gallery showing the conditions on the Main Trail as of April 30 2017


(1) On the main trail, deep snow starts from the third intersection of the trail with Lone Pine Creek. From there, the tracks go straight up Lone Pine Creek to Outpost Camp - a nice shortcut.

(2) Trail crest was about 50% snow free. There were about 3 sketchy sections (15ft each) where there was both snow and a steep cliff.

(3) We didn't use our snowshoes. The winter trail shortcuts were steep, so we ended up using crampons the whole time.

(4) Mirror lake was the last obvious spot to get water. You might be lucky and find a puddle at trail camp - but I would plan on melting snow in case you don't.

(5) While outpost camp was mostly covered with snow, there were some nice snow-free sites at Trail camp.


Sunrise on the chute is magical:
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/01/17 10:21 PM
Philippe, congratulations on making the summit via the main trail!

This picture looking down toward Trail Camp is great!

Posted By: Chaneyka1 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/03/17 09:50 PM
Congrats on the success, Philippe!

As I'm heading there this weekend I'm curious about a couple questions.

Did you have any trouble with cables or any other section of the main trail where you required any real technical skills?

You mentioned not using your snowshoes... I take it you didn't have any trouble post-holing? Do you think we'll have any trouble saving the weight and not bringing them at all?

Thanks for the help!
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/04/17 05:48 AM
Don't bring snow shoes. They will slow you down. Spring snow is mostly solid, and there will be plenty of people going before you packing it down.

You won't go on the switchbacks where the cables are. It is easier to go straight up the snow. Some people say technical skills are required, others say just go.

Understand that soft snow in the morning can harden to an icy crust after the sun moves west and that slope is in the afternoon shadow. Unless you are sure of your crampon/ice axe skills, get down before 2 or 3 PM.
Posted By: bubbie Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/04/17 05:25 PM
Is it possible to hike to the summit on the main trail right now? Without using ice axes? We have a one-day permit for this Saturday and want to know if it's at all possible to reach the summit without having to mountaineer our way to it.

Thanks!
Posted By: Scott H Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/04/17 05:59 PM
Yes it is possible to hike the main trail, crampons are recommended past trail camp up the chute, ice ax"s can go either way but are helpful (switchbacks are iced in till late june or beyond)Check the weather report for this weekend as an approaching front is headed our way,Be safe and always no your limits
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/04/17 06:00 PM
The two pictures immediately above, taken/posted by Philippe are the Main Trail route. The trail is completely buried above Trail Camp until you get over the crest at Trail Crest.

Crampons are particularly helpful to climb the section shown in the pictures. Ice axes are recommended, especially for descending. If that slope ices up (in the afternoon shadows), it can become treacherous.

The NOAA weather forecast (Whitney Weather page above on the left) calls for 20% chance of snow, high of 43F on Saturday, winds 15 mph, Saturday night: 15F. Be prepared!!

Also FYI: There are currently quite a few day hike permits still available online for mid-week hikes through July and August. You might prefer to reschedule and go later.
We are hoping on climbing MR next weekend may 13th, weather should clear by then.
Please keep us posted on road and mountain conditions.
Any avalanche danger?

Posted By: Bob West Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/05/17 01:58 PM
Hi,

Yes, there is avalanche hazard. Here is the best local website for that information:

http://www.esavalanche.org/

For road and mountain conditions: USFS Bishop station: 760-873-2400. They will have up to date information.

It is your responsibility to check ahead of time and not rely on other posters here to keep you informed of conditions.
Posted By: Chaneyka1 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/08/17 03:36 PM
The light dusting of snow that was forecast for Saturday night ended up being a blizzard that dumped around 2+ feet on us. Expect deep snow for most of the trail above about 9 or 10k feet, especially outpost camp and above. Snow shoes are recommended until the snow hardens up significantly... we were blazing a new trail but postholing up to waist deep snow with every step on Sunday. It would not be safe at all to go up without an ice axe right now in my opinion, since several winter shortcuts and the chute are all very steep and dangerous without one. I likely would have died without one this weekend. Crampons are just as necessary for now.

That being said, I'm new to mountaineering so maybe others are more comfortable without these tools.
Posted By: meg_gun Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/09/17 12:54 AM
We hiked up Saturday morning for what we hoped would be a day trip to the summit. We started out at about 3:30am in the dark. Lone Pine Creek was running stronger than I had expected, snow started right after [we took the main trail up]. Maybe 1/2 mile after Lone Pine Creek the trail just ends into snow for as far as they eye can see, so we followed the paths in the snow, but there were footprints all over the snow, so I was uncertain whether we were on the trail or not. Snow was slippery and hard, definitely need crampons, axes, walking canes, etc and warm gear. Water is still running down the mountain under the snow, so watch your step or you'll posthole into freezing water.

I'm not a mountaineer, just a hiker, weight lifter, outdoor enthusiast and was definitely out of my range on this trip! I had done lots of research before taking off, but nothing prepared me for the amount of snow, the lack of trail signs or the weather! After hiking for about 5 hours at a fast pace we turned around, completely disappointed and humbled by the awe and raw power of the mountain.

In the end, it was gorgeous and exhilarating, but glad we attempted it and very glad we were smart enough to know our limits and turn back before the blizzard hit! Whitney, you're a gorgeous beast and I will try you again someday [in the summer!]
Posted By: Aman Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/10/17 02:32 PM
Road to Whitney portal was fine no issues at all in any car.
Ice Axe + Crampons
Did not use Snow Shoes
My partner and I hiked up the Main Trail starting Friday (5/5/2017) at 11am. Trail head was clear of snow but about a mile in we could see snow on the trail. Now there was no trail visibility so we started following the foot prints in snow which were kind of everywhere but we just kept on following one set which basically went straight up. Needless to say it was pretty steep. But not scary steep. Deep snow, thigh high, started right before Mirror Lake. Again since the trail was not visible we made up own trail in the snow and went up the steep slope to the left of Mirror Lake. This was steeper than at the beginning of the main trail. This was a bit scary as the sun was shining hard making the snow softer, thigh deep at times. Thigh high snow all the way up to Trail Camp. We spent the night on rocks. It was not very cold but cloudy with STRONG winds. I had rocks on my tent to keep it in place. My shoes and socks were wet from trudging in deep snow so put on a new woolen pair. Left at 4am next morning for Chute. Shoes were relatively dry. Snow was firm, no problem waking over it. Could only see up to the point where the light from the headlamp reached. Started Chute without crampons and ice axe. Got up a little, before Chute went crazy steep we put crampons on took out ice axe. It took at 1hr30mins to get up the chute. I was SCARED but we did it. The fact that i could not see clearly how steep it was because of the dark helped me focus on my feet and ice axe. By the time we got to trail crest sun was rising at horizon. It was cloudy. I was just glad to have finished the Chute. By around 8 am we were at the summit. Trail Crest to summit was pretty simple although we were tired from the previous day. While coming back we slid down the Chute. Looking at it in the day made me realize how crazy steep it was. Even getting down was scary. My partner and I started climbing it down (head towards Trail Crest and feet towards the bottom of Chute). But this was putting a lot of stress on my quadriceps and it was a LONG way to go down. So i decided to slide down. Chute is so LONG. It took us considerable time to even slide down that steep slope (used my ice axe for braking). We were down at trail camp close to noon. Packed out tent and started hiking down. Sliding down Mirror lake was so much fun! Again the snow was soft now almost of the way down. Slipping/sliding often. Got back to the parking lot. Got back to the parking lot, from Trail Camp in about 3hr15mins. It was a relief from cold and wet socks.
Posted By: rancho Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/10/17 04:26 PM
It sounds like the warm whether has turned the mountain into a postholing slog with increased wet slab avy risk. Does anyone have a good sense of whether this weekend's cooler temps will firm up the snow in time for a smooth Saturday morning haul up the MR? Thinking snowshoes in addition to crampons/axe, but not sure if that's enough given the current conditions.

forecast for reference: https://www.mountain-forecast.com/peaks/Mount-Whitney/forecasts/3500

Thanks!
Posted By: fit2climb Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/10/17 08:15 PM
Good report. Thanks for the update cool
Posted By: Sean_M Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/11/17 05:47 PM
Hello everyone,

There is a great site called Mountaineducation.org that has posted, and will continue to post thru hike conditions from Horseshoe Meadows - Mt. Whitney - Onion Valley.
Pretty good stuff that I thought would be appreciated here.

Here's the link to the report but I've also posted it below. http://mountaineducation.org/trail-snow-condition-reports/

Enjoy! - Sean

2017 Reports:


May 10, 2017:

(Horseshoe Meadows to Guyot Pass)

Snowline (SL): 9,000

Creek Crossings (CC): Rock Creek has a log crossing upstream

Specific Details (SD):

1. Temperatures: 30-60 degrees

2. Snow Condition: Consolidated with a surface crust, 6-12″ of slush, then another ice layer (to slip on). Hiking crampons worn daily, depending on snow condition and slope aspect.

3. Snow Depth: (per Snow Surveyor) 200% of normal in southern Sierra with greater amounts to north similar to winter of 1968.

4. Creeks: Most are running higher than during normal pre-thaw time frames, but lower in volume than after the thaw starts. Most still have intact and reliable snow bridges, though are open in many places to get water (no need yet for creek crossing shoes).

5. Daily Logistics: It feels like the thaw is going to start soon, so days are quite warm and the snow gets soft and slippery early. Best to start your days as early as you can see (0600) and quit when potholing gets painful.

6. Trails: All buried above 9,000 feet depending on slope aspect, though we did see 100 feet of trail on one south-facing slope.

Horseshoe Meadows (HM) road is currently closed, but may be open by mid-June. HM has 2-4 feet of snow throughout. all Passes into it have snow, Mulkey, Trail, and Cottonwood.

Mt. Whitney, though not seen directly, yet, I do not expect to be safe for ascent by the average thru hiker for some time.

Forester’s chute “trail” should be cut this week.

Onion Valley road is open and has sufficient snow depth at the trailhead to allow skiing down the the asphalt.
Hey guys! So last August I climbed Whitney, But recently got permits again this year for JUNE. They only question I have is, Do you just skip the 99 switchbacks and go up the Chute?
Thanks
Scotty

P.S.
here is a link to last years video!
stay tuned for the June video with snow!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiHFMiTxnvI
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/12/17 03:32 PM
This excellent picture from just above Trail Camp was posted on Instagram by timwoo, taken 5/9/17. The "chute" or slope west of the switchbacks is visible with his tracks. Traces of the actual switchbacks can be seen in the rocks at the left edge of the picture. Mt Muir, 14,019' is in the center.

TimW's caption:
Quote:
@curtishowell and I made first tracks up to #trailcrest on #mtwhitney yesterday (5/9) after a storm hit this past weekend. Follow the zig zags on the right for our trip up, and the straight line down on the left for the #glissade down.

*on getting to the rocks in the middle of the picture*
Curtis: we're about a third of the way there
Me: ONLY A THIRD?

(Click on the picture for a larger view.)


They made it to Trail Crest, and turned around, as the trail down to the JMT junction was completely buried with snow coming off the cliff side. No picture though.
Here's his text:
Quote:
#mtwhitney turned me and @curtishowell away a second time. We made it up to #trailcrest at 13,600ft before being turned back by the narrow trail (read nonexistent) and steep cliffs of the #jmt. We determined it too sketchy to pass, and so made our way down. Sad, but happy to be back home safe and sound!
We also learned a lot of lessons first hand:
(1) snow path does not equal summer path, shortcuts are your friend
(2) early start and crampons make a lot of sense together so the snow doesn't get too soft to travel over
(3) summer water sources might be frozen in May
(4) weather changes real quick
(5) you haven't made it until you're at the top
(6) you haven't actually made it until you've taken a shower.
Anyone make it to the summit on #mtwhitneytrail this past week (5/7)?


Edit: Good luck to anyone going today. NOAA weather forecast is for wind up to 50 mph at 12,000' (Trail Camp), on Saturday decreasing to 25.
Originally Posted By: scottycamera
The only question I have is, do you just skip the 99 switchbacks and go up the Chute?

Yes. When there is enough snow to cover the rocks, it is best to skip the trail and climb the snow. It’s usually best to follow existing boot tracks up to Trail Crest, but you can make your own if you like.
Posted By: saltydog Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/13/17 01:02 AM
Originally Posted By: Harvey Lankford
Can anyone relate this to the last big snow year (2011)?

Looking at the snowplot, it looks to be on an all time curve
2017 Snowplot

Yeah: go back to that site, check 2010-2011 and hit the "Draw Chart" button, and the result is that current average snowpack in the South, including MT Whitney, is exactly on 2011.

Snowpack

Definitely not "all time". Rainfall maybe record, but with all the melt already, remaining snowpack is not nearly record. That said, definitely deeper up high elevations: the charts are only broad averages.
Hey Guys,

Quick question - I am planning on hiking the main trail during 4th of July weekend. Conditions should be normal by then, correct? No snow danger or anything of that nature? Or does it really depend?

Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/15/17 04:43 AM
Last year, most people were using the switchbacks by June 15. This year snow is heavier, so July 4 may be the point when the switchbacks are finally open.

We won't know until that time. You will probably be hiking over some ice remaining on the trail. Microspikes might be helpful.
Posted By: Hobbes Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/15/17 02:49 PM
Hey Steve, yes the winds did get up to 50mph on 5/12. Here's my TR from Bishop pass:

http://www.highsierratopix.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15825
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/15/17 03:58 PM
Crazy wind!! You guys got out on Friday, and the wind was forecast to peak on Saturday!!!

Doug from Whitney Portal Store wrote that two hikers spent Saturday night in the summit hut (it's still full of snow), and were flown off the summit Sunday morning (5/14/17). One was then air-lifted to Reno.

No further info on the situation, but it sounds like one may have suffered an incapacitating injury at or near the summit. The wind must have died down enough by Sunday for a helicopter to visit the summit.

Edit: more on the rescue here.
Posted By: Scott H Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/16/17 02:43 AM
Just got off the main trail today,very tough hike up to trail camp yesterday, crampons suggested 1/2 mile before lone pine lake, trail disappears from that point.Log crossing is not advised as they are covered in thawing snow, at outpost camp solid snow no running water yet I would suggest hikers stay to the right going up towards mirror lake, to the left is very steep and extremely icy, trail camp was cold, weather was clear at 3:00 am attempted the chute by 5:00 the weather hit with snow and limited visibility, we chose to turn back was hoping the weather was going to hold off but we all know how that goes.Prepare for cold temps and watch your footing near the snow bridges as they are thinning,Ran into a few hikers who summited on sunday hopefully by Wednesday it will clear up for everyone
Posted By: Gootz Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/16/17 07:16 PM
Our group of 4 summitted via the main trail on Monday May 15 around 9am in a light snow.

We left Whitney portal at 6 am on Sunday May 14. We started hiking on snow two miles in. Postholing was not an issue at all for us. We did not bring snowshoes, and if we had we would not have used them. One of our group members brought skis and started skinning at Mirror Lake. We camped around trail camp at 12,500 ft. No running water. We didn’t see any dirt or flat rocks to camp on so setup on snow. We woke at 4 am on May 15 to clouds over the mountain and this turned into light snow and deteriorating visibility by 5am. We left our camp wearing crampons and didn’t take them off until we returned to trail crest after summitting.

Crampons, solid mountaineering boots, and ice axe were a must have. Skis were not used on the chute and were left at camp. From trail crest to the summit, there was a rocky/icy/snowy boot track to the summit that was in much better shape than we expected.

There were 2 packs in the summit shelter which must belong to the two people that were flown off the summit on the 14th. By the time we returned to trail crest there was about 4 inches on new snow accumulation and the snowfall was increasing. The glissade down the chute was smooth. The ski down from trail camp to mirror lake was marginal at best and knowing what we know now, would not have brought skis. The pizza in lone pine was good.
Posted By: Aman Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/17/17 03:34 PM
Someone was flown off the summit? Do you know what happened?
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/17/17 04:12 PM
Originally Posted By: Aman
Someone was flown off the summit? Do you know what happened?

Summit Fever is a deadly serious disease:   Whitney Summit helicopter rescue 5-14-2017
Posted By: David C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/18/17 05:26 PM
Hi all,

I'm going up over Memorial Day weekend and trying to make sure I have the right gear. I've not been up Whitney before, but have done some climbing before. Any tips for what types/style/brands of crampons or ice axes my group (of four) and I should get?

Also, it seems like given the weather, ski pants, jackets, and gloves are called for. Is that right or am I just going to end up carrying a lot of extra layers in my pack?

Any tips or advice is greatly appreciated.
Posted By: PeterATX Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/18/17 05:44 PM
I doubt you're going to get any recommendations to this effect.

Review the posts with responses during the last week or two - there's a number of posts covering the experiences of those who are skilled and equipped finding treacherous conditions up Whitney, and worse still, reporting seeing those wholly inexperienced and poorly equipped for what are incredibly dangerous conditions. A couple just got airlifted off the peak after being in the hut overnight, avalanche conditions are present, and there have already been fatalities from falls.

Whitney during winter conditions isn't the place to learn how to use an ice axe as you're falling or to find you're dressed inappropriately and developing hypothermia.

This forum has plenty of information available for review and much of it is repeated year after year. I'd recommend doing some more research both on this forum and throughout other websites - the disclosed risk is real.
Posted By: Venu8 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/18/17 07:35 PM
@ David C, Same here and I have the same questions too, I have a day permit for Memorial weekend May28th. I am gathering as much as info as possible from here though.
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/18/17 07:39 PM
I wouldn't go so far as say conditions are extremely dangerous. People with the right equipment and clothing, and a reasonable knowledge of how to use crampons and ice axe, AND an intelligent head on their shoulders SHOULD be ok.

The death was a freak accident on the Mountaineers Route -- nobody saw it, and dozens of people make it up and down the same route every week. The rescue from the summit hut was caused by a seriously bad case of Summit Fever -- NO sense of having a turnaround time. Read here. (They were warned by other hikers, but maybe not strongly enough.)
The avalanche was on the North Fork Lone Pine Creek (the Mountaineers Route approach). Over the years, the only reports of avalanches I've seen on the Main Trail side have been after heavy storms in mid to late winter.

As for clothing, unless you are heading into stormy weather (and you would be foolish not to cancel in that case), layers and wind-proof clothing would be in order. I don't think full-on ski gear (at least the insulated pants) is necessary. Skiing, you are sitting on a lift in foul weather. On Whitney, you are expending a lot more energy, and so ski pants would be too hot (unless you were waiting for a rescue in the summit hut. shocked )

Here's the NOAA page for Whitney summit weather. (Weather page link is always above on the left.) Watch it closely leading up to your hike.

Also, please read this thread and the links within:   Mt Whitney in Winter Conditions: a warning
And last, read the Ice Axe Use topics in the first post in the Reference forum, Links to important Whitney information
Posted By: JMH Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/18/17 08:18 PM
I am 56 years,new to hiking, and my total experience consists of 3 visits to Whitney in 2016. The rules i set for myself and anyone that i hike with are
1. Never hike in snow
2. Never hike at night. Maybe dawn when there are other hikers in front.
3. Gear in the middle of summer i had plenty of rain gear and warm down. I had way more gear than i needed but there was no way i was going to get stuck up on that mountain overnight without gear. Compass, lights food first aid rope etc etc
4. Turn around times for summit no exceptions
5. Turn around mandatory at 1st sign of storms.
6. I had the entire trail memorized from hours and hours of watching video.
7. I spent months reading these blogs and months training.
8. I spent months reading about AMS and the 1st visit turned around at trail camp due to lack of acclimatization and wrong type of training.

This mountain is one of the most difficult things i ever did and that includes marathons.

On our 2nd visit the whole time we were there the SAR chopper was flying around and the poor gentleman they were looking for did not make it.

We got a late start on day one of trip 2 and bumped into SAR rangers coming down the short cut route. The one ranger said that the problem is that when people want to summit bad enough that they summit badly. Its a play on words. A kind of sick SAR joke but often tragically not funny.
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/22/17 05:41 PM
Several pictures posted on Facebook by Paul Fanning from May 18 (approx.)

This is the section just west of Trail Crest where it descends a little to the junction with the JMT.


This is along the trail between Trail Crest and the summit.


Below Trail Crest, at the junction with the JMT:



Unfortunately FB picture links expire after some weeks, so they will disappear here at that time.
Question for those who have recently hiked, or have hiked:

Someone had mentioned and recommended that hikers stay to the right up out of Outpost camp when heading up and when descending down from Summit, stay towards the left towards the rock down to Mirror Lake.

Can someone elaborate more on that please? I understand at Outpost camp, the trail is pretty much non-existing. I've done Mount Whitney but never summit and have gone as far in as Trail Camp. When you get to Outpost Camp, the trail continues over to the right of the camp, up a few switchback, and over the other side to eventually Mirror Lake. To the left of Outpost Camp, there would be a waterfall (where I am assuming the location where the women was found recently). I'm assuming there are tracks that would take you back to where you came from so how would someone were off over to the Waterfall side towards Outpost Camp?

Just trying to plan an upcoming trip so I know what to expect.
Originally Posted By: WhitneyHiker085
Question for those who have recently hiked, or have hiked:

Someone had mentioned and recommended that hikers stay to the right up out of Outpost camp when heading up and when descending down from Summit, stay towards the left towards the rock down to Mirror Lake.

Can someone elaborate more on that please? I understand at Outpost camp, the trail is pretty much non-existing. I've done Mount Whitney but never summit and have gone as far in as Trail Camp. When you get to Outpost Camp, the trail continues over to the right of the camp, up a few switchback, and over the other side to eventually Mirror Lake. To the left of Outpost Camp, there would be a waterfall (where I am assuming the location where the women was found recently). I'm assuming there are tracks that would take you back to where you came from so how would someone were off over to the Waterfall side towards Outpost Camp?

Just trying to plan an upcoming trip so I know what to expect.


Actually, from just examining the map, I think I know what is meant now regarding staying to the right (out of Outpost Camp) and towards the left (from Trail Camp down to Mirror Lake) is meant now. Though, if I remember correctly, the trail past Mirror Lake is basically just on rocks, so I can see how maybe it's easy to go off-trail (unless tracks are there).
Posted By: Hobbes Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/24/17 01:42 PM
Just follow your map where the trail is indicated - if you can read topo, it's pretty clear, even though there won't be any trail visible. (Or, take a GPS unit.) However, there should also be plenty of boot tracks that you can follow as well - just be aware not to follow any that appear to peter off.

There are two sections where the winter route can leave the standard trail:
- Above Outpost & the waterfall, you can follow the fork up the LP creek drainage that skirts Consultation rather than climb the (snow covered) rocks (both routes still end up @ Trail camp)
- the Chute vs the 99 switchbacks

Here's what both the fork and the Chute looked like last year (2016) during the first week of May:



Upon your return down the drainage past TC, pay very close attention to ensure making the left turn over the (snow covered) rocks to descend towards Mirror & Outpost. Last year (when I took these shots), I ran into a group @ Outpost that missed the turn and came down the waterfall. They were pumped from adrenaline, but otherwise ok.

I'm going up today, so I'll post some photos later this week.
Thanks Hobbes.

Good look on your Summit. Looking forward to your report and photo as well!
Posted By: Scott H Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/24/17 05:02 PM
Ijust got off the Trail about a week ago, About a mile out of Trail Camp descending, stay on the Left side and hike the Rocks and then 90 degree down towards mirror lake, as you Descend the tracks funnel down toward the waterfall which is frozen it's not vertical but extremely steep and not recommended one of my partners slipped and got lucky the other one slipped and hit his head with the ice ax(which was needed thru that section)
This helps. Thanks Scott.

I'll be sure to pay attention on the descent down from Trail Camp, about a mile out.

Can you tell though, that there's a left side and the right side, a mile out of Trail Camp?

I know you say the tracks funnel down towards the waterfall (which I am hoping to avoid) but I'm guessing it's not obvious?
Posted By: alexw Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/24/17 05:39 PM
Originally Posted By: Steve C
As for clothing, unless you are heading into stormy weather (and you would be foolish not to cancel in that case), layers and wind-proof clothing would be in order. I don't think full-on ski gear (at least the insulated pants) is necessary.


What are your thoughts on insulated softshell pants with good venting, vs getting new pants, in current conditions? I don't currently have uninsulated soft shell pants, since most of my adventuring is either warm and dry or cold and possibly wet. I've done strenuous labor in my ski pants, and the forecast has me thinking the insulation will be welcome at night in trail camp, but am I going to melt?
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/24/17 06:53 PM
> but am I going to melt?

If insulated ski pants is what you have, take them. You can always peel down to a T-shirt on top. Be SURE to wear sunscreen and sunglasses. This is snow blindness season!!!
Posted By: alexw Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/24/17 10:40 PM
Originally Posted By: Steve C
>You can always peel down to a T-shirt on top. Be SURE to wear sunscreen and sunglasses. This is snow blindness season!!!


Sounds like a plan. I'm no stranger to sunblock in the snow, now that I've had a few seasons of summer skiing in the Sierras. Frankly, the worst is early spring when it's cold enough for full coverage, but not face coverage. I get out there thinking "It'll be fine, with the buff..." then end up with the red face goggle tattoo of shame.
Posted By: 35darkhorse Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/25/17 04:24 AM
Hello Everyone,

It will be must first attempt to the summit. I am planning to be on the trailhead 3 am Friday morning and try to push up to Trail Camp and set up base camp for the night if possible. On the morning of 10th (3-4am), we plan to head up to the summit if the weather permits if not we plan to see how the conditions will be the next day. Do you all have any recommendation on taking the 99 switchbacks or just the chute? Is there anything I should be cautious about on the Lone Pine trail? My general route is to take Lone Pine trail in and out. I will be carrying a map, GPS, and compass but it would be really helpful to hear from others who were on the trail recently. I just want to be prepared for worst case scenario. Also, we will be taking out crampons and ice ax. Will there be any need for snowshoes?
35darkhorse, I’ve climbed Whitney many times, but not recently. Some people need to start at 3-4 AM to climb Whitney in a day, but if you’re taking two days, I wouldn’t start before it’s light enough to see without a headlamp. Your body will appreciate the rest, and it will be easier to find your way.

As long as there is enough snow, climbing directly up the “chute” to the right of the switchbacks is better than the switchbacks. This trip report comments on the chute vs. the switchbacks. You won’t need snowshoes this late in the year.
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/25/17 05:58 PM
Posted on Instagram 5/21/17 by life_is_goodoutdoors

Caption: 1,700' of pure heaven. The Mt. Whitney chute. 3 hours ascent, 15 minute glissade down.

Just a warning: Glissading without an ice axe for a brake is life-threatening. Glissading while wearing crampons is asking for a broken leg.





Caption: Almost back to trail crest then back down the chute. Snow was getting slushy later in the day.

Posted By: alexw Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/25/17 07:35 PM
Great pictures, pretty AND helpful!
Posted By: Rodnisco Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/28/17 10:34 PM
Summited May 25th via Mountaineers Route then returned via Mt Whitney Trail. Lots of snow from summit to Trail Crest with a few icy spots. Good glissade down the chute next to the switchbacks. I would definitely climb straight up the chute if I were climbing this route. The switchbacks were mostly covered in snow anyway. I would not recommend climbing without crampons and ice axe above Trail Camp. Snow is melting fast on the lower slopes. Watch out for areas where the snow is undercutting next to rocks and in some cases streams under the snow. A lot of intermittent post holing in the afternoon on the slopes below Outpost Camp.
Posted By: JamesH Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/30/17 07:24 PM
Hiked the Mount Whitney Trail starting Sunday 2:30AM (5/28). It was a new experience hiking on snow for me. A few things I thought I'd share since it was my first time. It was a very sunny day, so your experience could be different.

1. Going up the chute past morning makes it much more slushy/difficult (e.g. past 9:30). I went up after 9:30.
2. Coming down the chute after mid afternoon makes it very icy (e.g. past 3:00 or 3:30). I came down way after 3:30.
3. Walking on snow takes a lot longer than you think.
4. Pick your paths deliberately. Since everything is covered in snow, it's difficult to see the actual trail, if not impossible. It is tempting to follow other people's tracks. Sometimes it works out, other times you walk an extra 30-60 minutes taking the long way.

I found this site useful in my planning, so wanted to try and contribute something back. Good luck everyone!
Posted By: jhmccann Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 05/31/17 06:34 PM
Did you take snowshoes? Or just crampons and an ice axe?
Heading up the main trail on Friday and debating whether or not to bring snowshoes. Any thoughts from recent climbers?
Posted By: Mauricio Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/01/17 02:21 PM
Also hiking main trail tomorrow and summitting Saturday (with my daughter and her boyfriend). Know spikes are recommended, but unsure whether we'll really, truly, will need them.
Posted By: retarded Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/01/17 04:24 PM
Make sure you do your research (read trip reports, trail condition info) and STICK TOGETHER.

Because you asked that I can only assume you aren't fully prepared. Please be careful and plan for everything.
Posted By: Mauricio Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/01/17 04:29 PM
I'm supposed to pick up crampons later today, but looking at the current webcam image, it looks like there's only snow in the switchbacks and the hill used for glissading next to them. This has me wondering whether we'll really need crampons for this trip. BTW, it is not my intention to glissade down, but hike the switchbacks back. BUT, if we end up taking the crampons, and we find the snow to be firm enough, we might decide to hike up the hill instead of going up the "99"
You'll reach a good amount of snow about 2 miles in right before (maybe 1/2 mile prior to) hitting Lone Pine Lake. At this point, the trail is pretty much gone too, so navigate wisely.

You'll eventually begin to see the trail again to Outpost (some parts of the trail) but eventually you'll lose the trail again due to the snow, especially past Outpost Camp.

I did the normal trail this past Sunday.

Definitely needed crampons/ice axe for the chute and getting up to trail camp. Snowshoes could have been useful, but I didn't want to carry the extra weight. My pack was 13 lbs, brought along roughly 3000 calories.

If you think you'll be fast, 2-3L is enough water; if you think you'll be slow like we were, probably 4-5L will do for the day. A fast pace is like 5-7 hours to summit from whitney portal. We took 12 hours. The last water is at/near mirror lake. When you approach the lake, you'll pass by a stream where you can filter water from.

There is snow starting at 9000', all snow at 10000', definitely need crampons and ice axe. Theres a lot of false tracks in the snow, so make sure you bring a GPS. It's VERY easy to get off trail, especially in the dark because of the alpine start. We had a gps and guided a lot of people who were lost/off trail.

It's easy to also run out of water at the summit; I brought a MSR pocket rocket/fuel/etc to melt snow in case and i used it.

After you reach trail crest, you think you've done most of it, but getting to the summit can be at least another 1-2 hours. The snowfield at the top gets quite slushy later in the day.

There were no switchbacks when we did it, we just went straight up the chute. The chute gets icy starting at around 3, 3:30pm, and gets painful to glissade down. Turn around from the summit by 1-2pm at the latest, suggested 12-1pm to reach trail crest by 3. You definitely need the ice axe for glissading down.
Hey SanityCannon,

Just curious - what time did you start the hike at the Portal? What kind of GPS did you use to help guide the way? Have a Suunto GPS watch and wondering if programming the route on there would be sufficient to help guide the way, that, and along with some mountaineering experience. Thanks!
We started at 1am from the portal. We used the gaia app (https://www.gaiagps.com/) and brought along a small battery pack.
Posted By: alexw Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/01/17 08:47 PM
I'll add to this: my group hiked the Whitney trail on the 28th and 29th, two of us with crampons and axes planning to summit and two with just microspikes and poles. The two with spikes decided to stop at outpost camp mostly for fatigue, so we decided the other two of us would climb up more for fun, but plan to camp at outpost and not summit. The trail between outpost and mirror lake was quite covered in snow, and was passable with microspikes for someone with experience moving around snowy slopes, but crampons were very much preferable. Much above outpost, I'd say you can progress without crampons, but only if you're very comfortable on winter terrain.

I'll second the caution about buried rivers, as well. We noticed lots of post holing into flowing water when the snow got warm, though mostly didn't experience any ourselves. Most of it was into shallow minor washes, but there was the hiker who died just above outpost camp a few days ago when the snow gave out into a major flow: http://ktla.com/2017/05/24/san-marino-wo...heriffs-office/
Posted By: JBarx27 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/03/17 11:32 PM
Hi - How was the Mountaineering Route? Going up tomorrow, so looking for the most recent conditions. Appreciate it!
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/04/17 06:20 AM
Here's a picture of the Main Whitney Trail crossing the North Fork of Lone Pine Creek, about a mile up from the trail head. Be prepared to wade!


From Instagram, posted by n8tediesel


Posted by curytyba


Edit: If anyone wants to skip this crossing, the unmaintained "Old Trail" starts at Whitney Portal, just a little past the store, and climbs 30 switchbacks, then joins the Main Trail, just steps from this stream crossing. It joins the trail above/after the crossing heading up, so no crossing is required. Old trail description and pictures is here. It is unmaintained, and getting pretty rough with large boot-size rocks in the path.


July 4: Here is a picture of the trail in Bighorn Park, just before Outpost Camp, from this report.
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/04/17 06:27 AM
Also posted June 3, on Instagram by cubancrisis

Edit June 27: People report getting wet feet in this area, but the snow is probably gone by now. Sure wish people would share a picture!!!

Just below Outpost Camp -- these hikers are ON the trail.
Posted By: Mauricio Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/05/17 05:06 PM
Hiked the main trail route this weekend.

Main trail is actually nowhere to be found right before outpost camp. There were plenty of tracks through the snow, indicating very clear routes to hike up/down through the snow. Some of those sections were pretty steep, so to save energy, one would either criss-cross, or take a longer but more moderate way to reach the same goal.

We started our hike at noon, and arrived at Trail Camp at 8:40. We managed to do it with daylight, but within the next 15 minutes or so, it was dark. We setup our tent, like everybody else we could see, in a rock ledge.

After we ate, I took the decision of aborting the summit attempt we were supposed to do the following morning. I aborted it because we would need to spend quite some time melting more snow to have enough water for the summit attempt and the hike back to our tent. And then, we would have to melt more snow for the hike back to the car. This would have required a lot of our time, which would have made us ready to go to bed around midnight, leaving us with little time to really rest for an early morning summit attempt.

There was a second reason for my decision, which I totally understand if anyone (or everyone) in this forum sees it as the first, not the second reason, and it was simply due to the fact that I had decided not to take ice axes with us. My decision was based in stuff I had read here, but I take as a lesson learnt, that unless I read a report from within the last two days, I should ALWAYS plan for the worst.
In this case, it still looked as something that could be done (hiking the chute without ice axes), but I kept thinking that it would have been a risk, regardless of how it looked to me at the moment, and it was (thankfully) clear to me that it was unnecessary to put ourselves in that risky situation.
It was very interesting to me to see a lot of people (no less than a dozen) start their summit attempts as late as 11:30 am the next day!

Weather will improve, that is a fact, but in the foreseeable future (at least the next week), there will be a lot of snow starting very close to 9500 ft. The first little creek crossing is not an easy one. The second crossing, the one with the logs, is also not as easy as it used to be, due to a log in one of the sections being broken, so you have to jump from one to the other, an sketchy proposition.

My recommendations for anyone using this route within the next (roughly) seven days:
1. Start your hike early. No later than 10 AM.
2. Bring Ice Axe.
3. Crampons, no Micro-spikes.
4. An extra pipe of fuel for snow melting.
5. Pay the weight cost to bring protection for VERY cold nights.

Lastly, I think that, ideally, you would get to Trail Camp, sleep, summit the next day, back to TC, stay one more night, and the third day, hike back to your car.
Hope this info helps someone.

Mauricio
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/05/17 05:06 PM
Log crossing, posted by Octavio


video here

Posted By: sarahp Mt. Whitney Trail 6/2-6/4 - 06/05/17 07:28 PM
Three of us had overnight permits for this past weekend. Here's a breakdown of what we brought and our itinerary:

GEAR:
-Ice axes (one per person, we saw several groups trying to share)
-Crampons (NOT microspikes)
-Sunscreen & sunglasses. The snow is bright and you will get burned!
-Gators (for the water crossings and snow)

IF YOUR CAMPING AT TRAIL CAMP:
-Closed cell foam sleeping pad. This will save you from the cold ground.
-All-weather sleeping bag. Sleeping bag ratings are for *survival* not comfortability. Get/bring something that's as close to 0-degrees as possible.
-Water filter. There were several people trying to melt snow. This is inefficient and a waste of fuel. There's a stream at Trail Camp - if you're facing the chute it's to the right around the corner from the rocks. Also Consultation Lake has some breakup that you can filter water from.

ITINERARY:
6/2:
-Acclimation hike at Kearasarge Pass Trail, which has a few snow banks to practice glissading and using your ice axe.
-Camped at the portal.

6/3:
-Breakdown camp and hit the trail at 5:30am.
-I didn't find the river crossings as difficult as some people here, but it is something to be aware of. The gators really helped.
-We put on our crampons just after the log river crossing (I believe the 3rd crossing). It's pretty snowy from here on up.
-As someone suggested here, we used the Gaia GPS app (free trial for 7-days) and it was a lifesaver. It lost the signal when we were in the meadow, where Outpost Camp is located, but we stayed to the left, then crossed over to the far right and were able to get out and back on the trail (this is normally switchbacks, but is now covered in snow).
-We arrived at Mirror Lake at around 12:30pm and took an hour for lunch and to pump water from the lake into our camelbacks and water bottles to top off.
-Almost immediately after Mirror Lake you get above the tree line and there's no more shade. All snow and rocks. The glare is harsh, so be sure to keep applying sunscreen.
-We made it to Consultation lake at about 4:30pm (which was still almost completely frozen) then went directly above it to the rocks where Trail Camp is. There were several tents already set up so we found a spot.
-We topped off our water again at the stream and were in bed by 8pm, although it doesn't get dark until after 9.

6/4:
-Woke up at 2am and began our hike toward the chute. We left our big packs and tents at Trail Camp and just took daypacks (and ice axes). It's difficult to see in the dark, so be sure to take note the night before where you're headed. It took us about an hour to hike to the chute in the dark.
-The chute itself is about 1,400 feet in elevation gain.
-I was feeling extremely anxious about the hike up the chute and my friend was getting altitude sickness, so we decided to wait by the rocks at the base of the chute to see if it got any better. By about 4am, she was getting worse so we called it and turned back.
-We slept another few hours, then headed back down the trail at about 9am, arriving at the portal at around 1pm.
-On the way back we did some glissading with our axes, which was amazing and saved a lot of time on the trail.

OUR TEAM RULES (we only had 2 and they're both equally important):
-Stick together. No matter what we don't separate or get out of eyesight of each other unless someone's going to the bathroom.
-We don't have to summit. This may seem counterintuitive, but if you're going as a group, it's so important for everyone to feel confident and comfortable. Yes, these hikes are about pushing yourself physically and mentally, but if someone is sick or injured, they need to feel supported by the team. The team is more important than the summit.

Of course we were all disappointed we couldn't summit. We'd spent months training and acquiring gear, but ultimately we had an amazing experience together in one of the most beautiful and humbling environments.

If we had gone up the chute, we planned on 3 hours until we got to the top and another 2 to summit. Then 5-6 hours to return to the portal.

OTHER NOTES:
-Because the snow is melting so quickly, hiking earlier in the day is very important! Crampons are most effective on icy snow, not slush.
-Bring ibuprofen. It'll help with headaches and sore muscles if you're doing multiple days.
-Remember to put sunscreen on your lips!
-Talk to people on the trail, especially those coming down as you're going up. They have the latest news on what conditions are ahead.
-Bring bug spray if you're camping at the portal. We all came back with nasty bug bites.
-Take lots of pictures! You're in one of the most beautiful places!

Hope this helps. Good luck!
Posted By: Steve C Re: Mt. Whitney Trail 6/2-6/4 - 06/05/17 10:21 PM
Sarahp: THANKS for the report!

You are the first to report that water is available at Trail Camp. That will save people a lot of time and extra fuel weight.

Your warnings about sunscreen, sunglasses and lip protection are SO IMPORTANT!

People underestimate the problems with altitude sickness. Many spend the night at Trail Camp, and wake up sick the next morning. For you and your partner, I would suggest two things: 1. Spending an extra night at altitude before starting the hike. (I like to overnight at Horseshoe Meadows one night -- 10,000' elevation!) 2. get a prescription for Diamox, start taking it the first night you camp at altitude.

You did the right thing turning back and sticking together. The mountain will always be there, so start planning the next trip.
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/06/17 03:37 PM
Posted June 5, on Instagram by ryllprous

Looking down from Trail Crest. Consultation Lake on the left edge of the picture. Parts of the Main Trail are visible above the hikers.


click it if you have a big screen:
Posted By: david_garza Re: Mt. Whitney Trail 6/2-6/4 - 06/06/17 10:40 PM
Very nice write-up, sarahp. Compliments on the rules and sticking to them.

"It's difficult to see in the dark, so be sure to take note the night before where you're headed."

You didn't use a waypoint in Gaia?
Posted By: tbowdre Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/08/17 05:13 AM
See you out there June 12th. Thanks to everyone that has posted a recent report!... very helpful for planning...and anxiety! Really nice to know theres liquid water at trail camp.
Great photos! Love all the water! Thanks for posting!
Posted By: stiz Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/08/17 11:25 PM
Looks like temps at portal going up into the 80s soon.
Any thoughts on likely equipment needs at end of June (27/28)?

Likely need for:
-boots (v. trail runners), crampons (v. microspikes), ice axe?
-likelihood of switchbacks being used v. chute?

Thanks!

Also, thanks for current posts/info/photos. Will definitely be following here for updates over next few weeks!

-Shaun
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/09/17 05:49 AM
Switchbacks will still be covered into July. With that much snow, I'd still recommend boots and gaiters.

Microspikes might be ok -- would like to hear from anyone who successfully makes it using them.
Posted By: gfinch Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/09/17 06:09 AM
Hi,

My mom, dad, and me are looking to do Whitney in a Day on June 29. We are wondering if it will be possible to use the switchbacks by then, and if it is necessary to use crampons (as we only have microspikes currently). Any help will be much appreciated !
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/09/17 06:16 AM
Hope you saw this: Will this boot and crampon combo work in current conditions?
I just did Whitney yesterday car to car. I carried micro spikes and an ice axe, but only used them on the descent from Trail Crest. Everywhere else it was easier using trekking poles; the steps are cut in to the slope of the chute. Plunge stepped down the chute following the zig zag tracks using the spikes and ice axe on the high side. Would not recommend glissading as once you get out of control, you're going for a long ride, plus it hurts your butt. Mileage was considerably shorter going straight on the snow.
Posted By: Mark W Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/11/17 03:33 AM
For those looking for Mountaineers route conditions, I posted a trip report here:
Mountaineers Route Attempt: June 8-10

TLDR: Creek crossings very heavy. Snow from lower Boyscout up. Fresh water at Upper Boyscout and a little at iceberg if you're lucky (but don't plan on it). Final 400' extremely icy/sketchy, don't recommend continuing past the notch.
Posted By: 2ndjetty Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/12/17 02:31 PM
Thanks everyone for the writeups and photos.

We're heading up on the 23rd, so I'm still deciding if we go microspikes/poles or crampons/axes. Will keep an eye on the posts until then and contribute once we're back. Either way, sounds like a very early start from Trail Camp is going to be the move.
Posted By: rubes Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/12/17 03:14 PM
Thanks for all the thorough info, everyone. Here's a question. I'm permitted for later this week, but am not an ice axe/crampon/spike kind of hiker. I've made it to the top before, so no biggie if it doesn't happen on this trip.

So how far up the trail do you think I can get before "can't see the trail anymore" happens?
Posted By: David C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/12/17 06:58 PM
I have two extra permit spaces for Thursday, June 22, and they're yours if you care to join me.

Also, if you already have permits for June 22, I need someone to hike with, so please message or e-mail me!

dcoher at yahoo.com
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/12/17 08:41 PM
Picture of Trail Camp in the afternoon, posted June 11 by Ean M on facebook.

Trail update Summited June 9th: Intermittent snow above 10k feet and 100% snow above 11k ft.
Did not need snow shoes, but if your ar summiting in the afternoon they may help.
Crampons and ice axe required for the chute. Before sunrise it is a hard sheet of ice, by 8:30am it was slushy.


Posted By: PatT Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/13/17 03:16 PM
Thanks for posting. We are hoping to go up June 28 but I am not sure that ice axes are a safe way for me to go. (65 year old woman)
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/13/17 04:43 PM
Here's a picture of the log crossing, posted 6/13/2017 on facebook by ELLoy:

"We hiked to LP Lake last weekend - took this picture of the creek crossing...the log bridge did sustain a break but you are still able to cross."

Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/14/17 04:52 PM
If this is correct, the Log Crossing has been repaired:

Posted on Instagram by c.oetomo on June 13, 2017.

Caption:  Log crossing at Lone Pine Creek finally fixed as of 6.11.17. No more wet socks! #mtwhitney

By the wet look of the log, it appears it was just recently raised out of the water.
Edit: Due to high water from warm weather and heavy snow melt, the logs are reportedly floating off their supports ...regularly. Be prepared to wade!



Edit 6/26: Another picture, posted June 26, 2017. It shows a new log installed over the weekend.
Let's hope high water flow doesn't float this one off.
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/14/17 05:23 PM
Here's a picture of the snow conditions at Trail Camp. That's the Trail Camp pond finally starting to melt out.

Posted on Instagram by oldmanwilson, June 10, 2017.

Posted By: Jazzy3 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/14/17 10:10 PM
I have a day permit (Mt Whitney) for June 30. I haven't been on the trail before. Can someone tell me if the trail is clearly visible to the top? Do I need any special equipment? Thanks.
Posted By: Smokin Joe Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/14/17 10:33 PM
Originally Posted By: Jazzy3
I have a day permit (Mt Whitney) for June 30. I haven't been on the trail before. Can someone tell me if the trail is clearly visible to the top? Do I need any special equipment? Thanks.


My wife summited on the 14th. She said the path is not clearly visible in the snow (i.e., wherever there is snow). She did follow foot prints of previous hikers up the chute. She said the chute was pretty mushy by 9:30 a.m. She said she saw two hikers with micro spikes turn around on the chute because they could not get adequate traction in the mushy snow/ice. She also got lost on the way down (below trail crest) and had to ask directions from campers several times (and the directions were not always accurate!). From my conversations with her (and based only on current conditions) you will need crampons, an ice ax and hiking poles with snow baskets.

I have not been on the mountain and am only reporting what my wife told me.

Smokin Joe
Posted By: PatT Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/15/17 03:14 AM
thanks so much for your post
Originally Posted By: Smokin Joe
Originally Posted By: Jazzy3
I have a day permit (Mt Whitney) for June 30. I haven't been on the trail before. Can someone tell me if the trail is clearly visible to the top? Do I need any special equipment? Thanks.


My wife summited on the 14th. She said the path is not clearly visible in the snow (i.e., wherever there is snow). She did follow foot prints of previous hikers up the chute. She said the chute was pretty mushy by 9:30 a.m. She said she saw two hikers with micro spikes turn around on the chute because they could not get adequate traction in the mushy snow/ice. She also got lost on the way down (below trail crest) and had to ask directions from campers several times (and the directions were not always accurate!). From my conversations with her (and based only on current conditions) you will need crampons, an ice ax and hiking poles with snow baskets.

I have not been on the mountain and am only reporting what my wife told me.

Smokin Joe


Seems like a lot of people are getting lost heading on down from Trail Camp, or at least, that's what I've been reading and that freak accident that happened not too long ago, was somewhere around the same area down from Trail Camp.

Does anyone know if there is some sort of foot path that people are following that's leading them to the wrong path (which happens to take them towards the waterfall above Outpost camp) where they are supposed to stick to the left / towards the rock down to Mirror Lake?
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/15/17 05:35 AM
Originally Posted By: WhitneyHiker085
Seems like a lot of people are getting lost heading on down from Trail Camp, or at least, that's what I've been reading and that freak accident that happened not too long ago, was somewhere around the same area down from Trail Camp.

Does anyone know if there is some sort of foot path that people are following that's leading them to the wrong path (which happens to take them towards the waterfall above Outpost camp) where they are supposed to stick to the left / towards the rock down to Mirror Lake?


If you don't know where the actual trail is, the natural drainage when you head down from Trail Crest splits off to the right. The trail stays well to the left, heading out onto a "nose" or ridge. From the top of this ridge (as you are heading down and east), Mirror Lake is to your left. The trail makes its way down to Mirror Lake, but it is fairly steep in that area, much steeper than if you continue following the natural drainage slope more to the right/south.

Unfortunately, if you follow the drainage, you can get into some steep areas and that waterfall. So try to follow the regular trail more-or-less. Here's an interactive map from Gmap4 that you can use to scroll around on.


Map in a separate window is here

Posted By: dbd Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/15/17 05:49 AM
Originally Posted By: WhitneyHiker085

Seems like a lot of people are getting lost heading on down from Trail Camp, or at least, that's what I've been reading and that freak accident that happened not too long ago, was somewhere around the same area down from Trail Camp.

Does anyone know if there is some sort of foot path that people are following that's leading them to the wrong path (which happens to take them towards the waterfall above Outpost camp) where they are supposed to stick to the left / towards the rock down to Mirror Lake?


Here's an image of where the trail heads down east from the pond. This is from Google-Earth. Compare to your topos for a better idea of the trail location. Please check the notes.



Ugly but true, the best recovery in this area, if you find yourself off route, is to backtrack to the point near the pond where you made your error and get on a better line.

Lower down the problem continues at the N vs E decision point at the rock ridge south and above Mirror Lake. People off trail to the south may follow the drainage from Consultation Lake down toward Outpost. The cliffs here aren't as bad as those north of the trail and west of Mirror Lake. Some people, particularly in winter, may intentionally shortcut to the south of the trail to come down to Outpost off trail. Again, don't follow tracks unless you already know where and why they go where they do.

A surprising note to most who come to the Whitney trail:
This means you must be able to find your way in snow or darkness with whatever cell phone, GPS, map, compass and wits you bring with you. There are -NO- reliable tracks to follow.

Dale B. Dalrymple
Posted By: sue Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/15/17 08:09 AM
Two friends and I hiked/summited Whitney this past weekend (June 10-12). Shout out to Sarah P's post for helping us prepare adequately, and hopefully the information we provide here helps other groups.

GEAR
- Hiking boots and crampons (not microspikes - we did not observe anyone successfully summit without crampons along the way)
- Trekking poles for getting up the snow chute and for hiking the trail in general
- Ice axes for glissading down the chute if it's slushy enough
- Gaiters for snow and stream crossings (which were not as difficult as this thread made them seem to be - water levels were high and flow was fast, but rocks and logs were placed conveniently)
- Helmets (for safety)
- Headlamps
- Sunscreen, lip balm
- Goggles, sunglasses
- Tent that is able to withstand high winds (we experienced gusts up to 50mph)
- Sleeping pad, sleeping bag (ours were rated at 20 degrees - with wearing long underwear, we felt fine)
- Layers, layers, layers as it was extra warm in the sun but terribly cold with the shade/wind/altitude
- Diamox (medication for altitude) - we took three doses total (Friday evening, Saturday morning, Saturday evening) and felt pretty good (no nausea/headaches)
- Iodine tablets or equivalent to purify water
- Ibuprofen for aches/pains/headaches
- Handwarmers... I brought two just in case and these came in clutch during our coldest moments
- We had a GPS app which helped us when the trails got confusing. Earthmate is a $30/year subscription, AllTrails is perhaps around $20/year, and there might even be a free Whitney app somewhere out there - I do remember seeing something, but not sure what that's like/if it's a solid option

SATURDAY, JUNE 11
- We stayed in Big Pine the night before at a cheap Airbnb as we weren't sure what time we'd be arriving on Friday and were skeptical about first come, first serve campsites being available
- Woke up at 4:30, picked up our permits, drove to Whitney Portal, distributed food/organized packs, and got on the trail by 7:30
- Snow coverage starts at around 10k feet a bit after Lone Pine Lake (which is gorgeous, by the way), and at that point, crampons come in handy
- We talked to several folks, who mentioned it was unbearably windy at Trail Camp (which was the campsite we intended to stay at that evening) and that Outpost Camp may be a better option (in fact, there were several hikers who got to Trail Camp and hiked back to Outpost for better camping conditions)
- Since there's not much of a trail once the snow starts (just kicked-in routes you can follow), we realized we were above Outpost Camp and decided that personally, we did not want to turn back just to hike back up in the morning
- We found a place to camp around 12pm between Outpost and Trail Camp at approximately 10.5k feet, right before it's all snow

- Did not proceed to Trail Camp due to what we knew about the wind as well as the fact that by 12pm, the snow was quite slushy and getting to Trail Camp would have been particularly difficult, especially with all of our gear
- Melted snow in the sun during the day then brought to a boil or added iodine tablets to ensure we had enough water
- Got to bed early

SUNDAY, JUNE 12
- Woke up at 3, hit the trail by 3:45
- We left most of our gear in our tent and brought water, snacks, layers, and ice axes and wore helmet, crampons, headlamps
- Took the trail in the snow that required the least down and uphill; in other words, we wanted to traverse more than climb, and so when you're looking at the chute from afar, the trail all the way to the left was the one we took
- Watched the sunrise along the way, which was unreal

- Refilled on water by Trail Camp as there are sources and the trail passes right by them
- The snow chute took quite some time, but we followed the already kicked-in trails people had made up by using our crampons and trekking poles
- Once you get to Trail Crest, it gets insanely windy and the 1.9 miles to the summit are not easy due to the cold wind chill and the strength of the gusts (and the terrain isn't the easiest as there is a bit of rock scrambling required at altitude along with small patches of snow - nothing particularly dangerous or difficult though)
- We were surprised at how many people turned around and did not summit during that 1.9 miles due to the temperatures/wind/timing
- The summit is beautiful! There's apparently service up there, but we didn't get much (though we did see a PCT hiker chatting on the phone with his friends/family)
- You're only halfway there... Once you make it back to the snow chute, make sure you check that the snow is actually slushy before trying to glissade down. That was a mistake we made - The snow was incredibly slick and icy when we were back, which made glissading very dangerous (self arresting came in handy big time). In that case, stick to crampons and trekking poles and walk down the footprints
- We planned to hike down to Whitney Portal this day, but we decided on camping another night due to our timing

MONDAY, JUNE 13
- Leisurely woke up, broke down camp, and headed back
- The stream crossings were repaired, and ice extended much further down the trail due to cold conditions

We were constantly evaluating how safe/comfortable we felt and only summited because everyone in our group was ready and felt up to it. We suggest deciding upon a turnaround time to ensure you're hiking in the best conditions and aren't putting yourself in any dangerous situations. Otherwise, enjoy and be safe out there!
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/15/17 03:58 PM
Outstanding report, Sue. Thanks for posting, and congratulations on your summit!!

I am curious what time in the afternoon did you glissade and find those icy conditions? I am sure the cold weather made it icier for you.

- - - - -
By the way, for anyone going in the next few days... The west coast heat wave is going to make it warm on Whitney. The NOAA weather site forecasts summit temperatures with lows in the 40s and highs in the 60s! The snow is going to be slushy!!!
Posted By: Fan Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/15/17 05:19 PM
To echo what Steve said, great job Sue, and thanks for sharing your experiences.

I also noticed the upcoming heat wave in checking weather forecasts daily. Would anyone care to guess what normal/average temperatures are like at Trail Camp or the summit for late June to early July?

I was surprised to read about Sue's report regarding high winds. All the forecasts I've been looking at predict 5-15 mph winds at most. Is it normal to encounter 30-50 mph winds at Trail Camp, Iceberg Lake (I'm looking at East Face climbing routes), or on the summit? Thanks!
Posted By: Vineet Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/15/17 07:54 PM
Hello Friends,
We are two friends planning to climb Mt. Whitney Overnight from 25-26 June. I have two questions if anyone care to put their inputs:

1. We were not selected in the lottery and when contacted the forest office, they said that we can expect to get the Walk-In permits as a lot of people are cancelling. But we are going to find this out only 1 days before. FINGERS CROSSED!!!! Do we have anyone else in the same condition or someone who has got walk in permits for overnight?

2. Anyone planning to climb during the same period and want to tag along? We would really appreciate it.

3. What is the best current way to climb from Trail camp to Trail crest. I am hearing that switchbacks are full of snow and not safe, the only way to go up is up the Chute? Please guide.

Any guidance is greatly appreciated.


Vineet
Posted By: bsiwecki0 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/16/17 03:17 AM
Hey Vineet,

Since you guys are going during the week, you are more likely to get a walk in. I have done it before last year in August during the week of August 7th-10th. We came into the visitor center in lone pine around 9am on a Sunday and got an overnight permit. Also got an overnight wilderness permit for little Yosemite valley and got up to half dome at sunrise which was the longest backpacking treks I did in 5 days. I think this is usually the ideal time to visit and summit whitney because it's one of the warmest months of the year.

I would love to tag along but I'm heading up June 29th, and planning to hike to trail camp on Friday the 30th, Saturday reach the summit then back to camp and then camping at consultation lake that night. Sunday mid day on July 2nd, I'll head down the mountain.

The trek from camp to trail crest is looking like the chute is the option. I've heard people have made "trails switchbacking up the chute" I think that its still going to be necessary to use ice crampons and an axe. Not sure if I'm gonna bring an axe but possibly trekking poles but we will see closer to the date. So looking at the posts and also pictures. Crampons are a must at this point so I hope you have experience with crampons and also download a gps app. The one I have is called GAIA ands well worth the $30. You can use it airplane mode and download a pre-programmed map. Also study the topography in person so you get an ideal visualization of where you are going. I hope this helps

-Brian
Posted By: bethjanelle Re: Current Conditions Day Hike 6/14 - 06/16/17 05:35 AM
Hi friends! Been following this forum while I was prepping for my day hike, which I did yesterday on the Whitney Trail. Heck of a day! All went pretty amazingly! I posted all about it here - trail details, lots of photos, and my gear.

http://www.bettybeyondboston.com/2017/06/mt-whitney-day-hike.html


Hope it helps!
Posted By: tbowdre Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/16/17 06:04 AM
Hi All-

Thought I would post after this site helped me to prepare and have a safe trip

Hiked from Whitney Portal to Trail Camp day one
Summit and then back to Whitney Portal day 2

- We started at the old whitney trail ~ 7am and this allowed us to skip the north fork
fork of lone pine creek crossing.
- Snow at lone pine lake and no sign of trail from this point on up to trail camp.
- Time for Crampons.
- We kinda followed the main trail via GPS initially ascending from lone pine lake
directly west and towards outpost but then boot tracks took us up and south of the
main trail, south of outpost and south of mirror lake.
- We followed this well worn trail of boot tracks south of outpost camp, south of
mirror lake and south (above) of the main drainage.
- This ended up connecting back with the with the main trail before/east of
Consolation Lake.
- Made it to Trail Camp ~ 3:00pm.
- We had a nice night at Trail Camp, plenty of spots to camp off the snow, no wind
and we were plenty warm in a +5 bag.
- 7am start for the summit... late compared to many other people!
- Climbing/walking up the chute following boot tracks made it an "easy" walk up a
very long flight of stairs. I can imagine this being a huge challenge later in the day
when snow is soft and slushy.
- ~10:30 at Trail Crest. From here to the summit crampons are not needed.
- The trail gets a little lost in the snow right before the final ascent and we just
rock scrambled towards the top and as you ascend you can pick up the trail
again.
- ***~ 12:00 SUMMIT***
- Heading down there is a little (~200ft) glissade to the right of the summit that was
fun.
- Glissade down the big chute next to the 99 switchbacks was awesome and steep
at the very beginning
- Heading towards the parking lot after packing up at trail camp (~5:00) once we
passed Consolation Lake there is a fork in the boot track trail.
- The left fork heads towards Mirror Lake and Outpost Camp and the right followed
our ascent south of the main drainage, south of Mirror and south of Outpost.
- If you stay as south as possible you will end up above Lone Pine Lake and can have
a final fun glissade (~500ft) down to the lake.
- We were at the truck by 7:30. The snow made for a very fast descent!

>>>>Happy Trails<<<<<
Posted By: bethjanelle Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/16/17 03:08 PM
Oh and I got this amazing video of us glissading down the chute! I posted it on my Instagram:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVXsHEAFrVF/?taken-by=beth.janelle
Posted By: SD_Hiker Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/17/17 05:48 PM
Hello,

I am thinking of trying to hike the John Muir Trail up from Guitar Lake to Trail Crest (West approach up Mt Whitney) during the first week of July. Does anyone have any information on trail conditions? Is the trail passable?

Thank you for any information you can provide.
Posted By: Bob West Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/17/17 05:55 PM
You ought to call the USFS office in Bishop:

760-873-2400
Posted By: fireresq21 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/18/17 03:50 AM
6-16-17
one day ascent

Hey Guys,
no need for a full trip report. Ill just touch on the hot topics that always seem to come up.
We did a successful one day summit yesterday. It was incredible.
Gear: Poles, crampons, ice axe (people with micro spikes were mostly unable to ascend the chute)

SUPER warm. I usually bring quite a few layers, but even with the 3am start, it was tee shirt weather all day. At top of Trail Crest there was zero wind. I never needed anything more than a long sleeve hiker shirt.

The snow melt is going insanely fast. So the water crossings are mellow in the wee hours of the morning, but upon our return in late afternoon, they were raging! All foot stones covered with water flow up to our calves. You WILL get wet. And they are very slippery and dangerous.

The log crossing still has a broken piece in the middle, but can be easily passed

Trail finding starts to become difficult around Mirror Lake. people have been breaking trail in the snow leading all over the place. mostly in interestingly wrong directions. We mainly stuck to the trail areas with minimal short cuts. once at the top of the rocky switchback area above mirror lake, expect full time snow. Crampons not needed. Good trail has been broken in leading to Trail Camp

Trail Camp has plenty of spots to filter water.

Crampons and Ice axe mandatory for a successful Chute ascent. we reached the Chute at 9am. An hour later than we had hoped. And it was well past its prime by that time already. Still very doable, but those with micro spikes were not doing well. Several parties bailed, and another borrowed a descending climbers crampons.

From Trail Crest to the summit, trail is fully clear of snow (except right before summit). about 1/2 mile before summit, cut up early before snow field and boulder hop your way up. Much easier than taking the trail all the way around and trying to navigate last snow field.

hope this helped. This board always helps me before I head up, so trying to return the favor!
Posted By: EdHaynes Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/18/17 03:20 PM
I saw a video of PCT hikers making that climb about a week ago. They used poles, crampons and ice axes. Since they started out in the dark there wasn't a lot of footage of the climb. They did state that part of the trail was a bit sketchy. So I would guess that it is doable -depending upon the hiker's skills in snow country.

I second the motion to phone ahead to park service. Conditions can change rapidly.
Hi WZ community!

Anyone know what elevation the snow begins? What elevation does snow cover dominate?

I'm spending a week on the west side of SEKI, trying to gauge what to expect.
Posted By: emceegull Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/19/17 09:31 PM
Does anyone know where a good place to practice glissading would be prior to taking on the chute this weekend? Have a couple days to acclimatize ahead of time and would really like to get some practice in.
Posted By: JMD22558 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/19/17 09:41 PM
Vineet, I have been very successful with walk in permits, it's really pretty easy and the local policy of picking a number out of a hat has never caused me a delay. Enjoy your hike! I hiked to Lone Pine Lake this weekend as I only live a close distance, the lake was gorgeous as always, the trail still had patches of snow at this level. Not sure after that.
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/20/17 03:50 PM
Originally Posted By: Snacking Bear
Hi WZ community!

Anyone know what elevation the snow begins? What elevation does snow cover dominate?

I'm spending a week on the west side of SEKI, trying to gauge what to expect.


Posted on FB by the son of a hiking friend of mine: From the top of Sawtooth Peak (Mineral King area)

That picture is looking north from Sawtooth, standing on wink Columbine Lake (elev 10,970)

Looks beautiful! Did he need full crampons for Sawtooth? We're camping in Mineral King starting Friday, trying to gauge what gear to bring.

Thanks Steve!
Posted By: Team NEGU Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/20/17 04:30 PM
Hello. My name is Veronica. I read your recent post about doing Mt Whitney and I was wondering if I could ask you a few questions?
I have been waiting to do Whitney for 4 years now. When I started getting into hiking and enjoying nature 4 years ago I never thought I would want to do more. But I fell in love with it. I have only ever done day hikes. I've done half dome and Gorgonio and Wilson and baldy and etc. point is. I've done so good hikes. However I've never been in snow conditions. The most snow I've been in was my first time to Yosemite and I dealt with the black ice on rocks while hiking the tall falls. I've never used crampons, or an ice ax. The only climbing I've done is indoor rock climbing. But I do hike often and I work out often and I'm in physical shape.
My questions are:
If I get the right equipment should I really even attempt the chute? Or is it only professionals that can complete it safely? I have two little kids to get home to. I'm not planning on glissading because I've read how dangerous it is for people who have never done it. So I'm not planning that.
I'm supposed to leave next week on Wednesday and have the day permit for next Thursday and what I'm scared of is spending all this money even in gas to try to attempt her when I know it's not safe to do the chute.
You did he chute but you sound like maybe you have experience with ice and crampons and ice axes.
Would you say someone who doesn't have any experience with any of this even with the right gear can do the chute up and down safely?
Sorry if I double sent this to you I was trying to reply but I'm new to all of this
Posted By: 2ndjetty Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/20/17 05:48 PM
Snacking Bear - we hiked to upper Monarch Lake in Mineral King as Whitney training a week and half ago. Lots of snow. The lakes were just melting (similar to the pic Steve C posted). We made it with microspikes and poles but I'd take crampons if going again. Of course, it's been warm up there the last week...
Posted By: fireresq21 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/20/17 06:14 PM
Hey Veronica,

First off, don't do it alone. no matter what. Thats just mountain safety 101

You can for sure ascend the chute as a first timer. Walking on crampons doesn't take any special skill. Just a little patience. Don't rush your steps. Plan every move out 1 by 1. The axe makes a nice grab handle when planted well. The chute is not technical climbing. Its just a wee bit steeper than you're probably used to. There is currently no other way up the main trail, so if you're sketched out, don't waste your time. Go later in to summer when you can do the switchbacks.
If your not going to glissade down, but rather walk, then know how to self arrest with the axe. Theres tons of videos on here on how to do it.

The only solid advice I can really give is, I had 5 people in my party that had never ever worn or used crampons or ice axes. We glissaded down with no incident and traveled safely back to our cars in one day. It just takes some patience, common sense and understanding to use that equipment. Yes I had done it before so I was able to coach. So maybe try and link up with somebody while your up there and travel in a safe group.

Hope it works out!
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/20/17 08:36 PM
Here are a couple of pictures and text from Instagram...

Posted by life_is_goodoutdoors, June 19, 2017:
Quote:
"Lunch on the chute" I don't know what I liked better, the mountain or the chatter...
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As long as everyone is safe, hearing crying and whining is to be expected on some particular hikes. I also love and embrace complaining. For some, Whitney is not an easy hike. Especially up the chute. I witnessed a group of six ascend the chute in 40 minutes in Sunday. I would estimate they officially charged that thing. It took us 3 hours.
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As for me, I welcome as many rest breaks as possible as long as we're on schedule.
Whitney is to be enjoyed and memories to be make. Every step there is magnificent and when the altitude steals your air, it only increases you already fast beating heart.




Posted by mermaidlife_outdoors, June 20, 2017:
Quote:
I climbed the wall of destiny and stared in the face of fear~
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Before this climb I had mainly heard horror stories and have supported friends who have had their friends pass away on this trek. I attended a funeral and listened to family members describing their thoughts on why hikers do what they do since they don't truly understand the desire to take themselves to places like Whitney. My hands are sweating and I'm shaking just typing this out. This has been the scariest and also most beautiful hike I've ever accomplished. It's surreal. The pics are out of this world, but there's a lot involved in getting your body up and then back down this mountain safely. Do not take this trek lightly fam. Be safe and be smart. If you don't know then don't go and go with people who know more than you. ~
~
After the chute I thought holy f*** I'm going to have to go back down. Straight down and see how steep I climbed without having the white staircase in front of my face to look at...all view. Gorgeous and terrifying. So steep. But we only have 1.9 miles left after Trail Crest so this will be easy! The hard parts are complete. Guess again! The last 1.9 miles to summit are really f****ing hard on the body.




      Do NOT Forget the sunscreen!!!
Posted by alexandertseitlin, June 20, 2017:
Great info. Thanks for the huge help!
Posted By: Arnab Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/21/17 01:17 AM
Planning a day hike on 6/24. With all discussion going on about the chute, i am getting a different kind of doubt. is it very natural to end up/ climb up and hit the trail again once you have climbed the chute? It looks and sure is big - if one climbs at a wrong angle by mistake will that lead towards a dead end kind of spot?
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/21/17 05:19 AM
Originally Posted By: Arnab
Planning a day hike on 6/24. With all discussion going on about the chute, i am getting a different kind of doubt. is it very natural to end up/ climb up and hit the trail again once you have climbed the chute? It looks and sure is big - if one climbs at a wrong angle by mistake will that lead towards a dead end kind of spot?

If I understand the question, if you find your way to Trail Camp, "the chute" (or slope west of the switchbacks) is easy to find your way. Just follow all the tracks at the top leading to the right (westward) to Trail Crest. From there, you will find mostly dry trail to the summit. Finding your way back is pretty easy.

It is the area between Outpost Camp to Mirror Lake that gives people more trouble. At Outpost Camp, stay northward toward the north wall, until you get to Mirror Lake, then climb the steep slope to the south, go up and westward. Check this area out on your way up, because it is where there are many paths heading off trail.
Posted By: leafsrule71 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/21/17 06:56 AM
Apologies All:
looking to hike up the mountain July 16 to the 19th. i am driving into the interagency office on 7/15 to try and get a walk-on permit. I am by myself.if anybody looking for a hiking buddy; or a party willing to take a newcomer - would be greatly appreciated. i'v done rainier and mt washington before. would really appreciate company/support for the hike.

- be safe out there!
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/21/17 04:51 PM
Here's a picture of "the chute", the slope between Trail Camp and Trail Crest, June 17, 2017. Taken by friend Mark A.



View of the Cables section of the main trail, June 17, 2017.



Doug Thompson, proprietor and Chief Cook, Whitney Portal Store.
                   
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/21/17 06:57 PM
Here is a view of Bighorn Park / Outpost Camp, taken June 19 by syoung79. His trip report is here.

Hey Veronica,

I did it solo and on a day permit as well. You don't need any technical or professional skills to get up the chute. It does look daunting at first, but very doable if you take your time and just take one step at a time. I had on crampons and ice axe, but I didn't use the ice axe until I got closer to the top of the chute as I relied more on my hiking poles. Also, when I went, the path up was literally carved into the snow so I used those path as footing heading on up.

It did take me about 2.5 hours to complete though and fairly steep. In fact, from Trail Crest, looking out, you don't even see the slope, looks as though it's a vertical drop but it isn't.

Trail Crest to Summit, was clear and dry, but I struggled at this section. Almost wanted to turn back too. The limited air just sucked the energy and desire to complete... but I finished smile

I did this on the 17th - not sure how it is today as I know snow is melting quickly.
Posted By: david_garza Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/22/17 02:39 PM
LAT: Air Force drone crashes in remote area near Mt. Whitney
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/22/17 03:48 PM


Picture of the fire from Lone Pine, posted June 21, by mtwhitneygear

Hi All, anyone going up on Sunday 6/25? Going up solo then, fast hiker, and just wanted to wave a hello to others on the ice chute or at base camp, safety reasons. I am 23.

Thanks,
Andrew
Originally Posted By: Steve C


Wow... this probably deserves it's own thread.

When I went up Whitney, a couple manned military fighter jets flew by a few times. I remember thinking that they looked to be flying pretty low, but of course it was that I was up so high that they seemed so low. smile
Posted By: Paul A Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/23/17 04:02 AM
A group of us are doing Whitney Friday the 30th. Last year 2 of us did the hike in 1 day in early June. We used microscopes last year. I am reading that crampons are still recommended, but have read people making it in microscopes.

We did well in microspikes last year, obviously the snowfall was intense this year. Just looking for some clarity before we head up from some people that have done it this year. Thank you in advance.
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/23/17 04:02 PM
From a report of an overnight hike, June 20-21, by Jim F:
He took the old trail up to the first stream crossing, to avoid crossing the North Fork Lone Pine Creek.
Here's the old trail location.

Jim F wrote:"Took the Old Trail (starting in back of the Portal Pond) to avoid having to cross the North Fork of Lone Pine Creek, which is indeed raging as others have reported. By the way, on the Old Trail a few switch backs have been "built" to bypass where the stump of the fallen tree has been obstructing passage for a number of years."

Of the log crossing he wrote:
(June 20): "The 11 logs at the Lone Pine Lake creek crossing were stable and provided dry passage. Stream crossings in Bighorn Park required getting feet wet."
(June 21) " one of the 11 logs at the crossing at Lone Pine Lake had floated off (again), requiring walking in the creek. Also noted was an appearance of mosquitos beginning at about Mirror Lake."
Posted By: Team NEGU Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/23/17 04:04 PM
Hi thank you so much for your reply. I was actually going to ask if coming back down the chute with an ice ax is dangerous? I am even nervous about wearing crampons really. Much less holding an ax. That scares me. Can I make it with just crampons and poles going up and coming back down? Thank you so much. I love this feed cause it's helping me prepare
Posted By: Amol Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/23/17 05:03 PM
Hello Vineet,

My 9 yo son, my wife and I will also be climbing up (Portal to trail camp) on Sunday June 25th. Based on our condition and our feel about the Chute, we may or may not hike up to the summit the following day Monday June 26th. We are first timers to Mt Whitney. We'll not be able to offer any expert advice but could definitely say hello to you smile
Posted By: Amol Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/23/17 05:10 PM
Hello Andrew,

My 9 yo son, my wife and I will also be climbing up (Portal to trail camp) on Sunday June 25th. We are moderate hikers and not in our 20s smile. Based on our condition and our feel about the Chute, we may or may not hike up to the summit the following day Monday June 26th. We are first timers to Mt Whitney. We'll not be able to offer any expert advice but could definitely say hello to you smile May be you could give us some advice about the chute. My wife is definitely inundated by the chute.

-Amol
Posted By: JedHiker Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/23/17 07:03 PM
All of those rocks are under 6" of roiling water as of 6/19/17 and probably getting worse.
You need to locate the stones with your hiking pole and literally walk on water.
Those going up in the next week or so should start at the Portal in camp shoes and change into your hiking boots after the crossing.
Jed
Posted By: Yueming Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/23/17 07:55 PM
Hi, our group plan to hike in next Saturday, I plan to use old trail to avoid crossing the north fork creek, but we still have to cross the log, do you think the log will be able to help us cross the rive with dry feet? Or we still need to plan to get wet at lone pine lake? (I heard the log has been rushed down so many times). And people also says that it'll also get wet too near bighorn park, is it that bad there? Thanks a lot!
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/23/17 10:23 PM
From what I have seen, you should plan on wading in the water at the two places you mentioned. Consider yourselves lucky if you don't need to.

Take extra socks, maybe even lightweight shoes to wear through the water.
Posted By: dustin Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/24/17 07:51 AM
hi guys, me and a few friends are going to hike Whitney this July 2-5th. I was hoping some people could give a little insight on " the chute" since I hear that the main trail on the switch backs is covered in snow. is " the chute" easy to follow, and can people who are inexperienced in snow travel safely traverse it? we all have crampons and hiking poles but opted out on the ice axes because odds are if the situation requires ice axes not to die we will pass. anyways, we've been looking forward to this trip for a while and I would hate to not be able to make the summit. don't get me wrong, I love a good challenge and I'm looking forward to seeing this " chute", but it sounds a little intimidating and I'm not sure the comfort level for the rest of my group with something like this. thanks- Dustin
Hi Amol,

Great. Go ahead and shoot me a text when you see this 3103184551.

I'll be starting my hike 1am on Sunday from the portal, will be at the chut around 7 am, so maybe I see you on the way down. Done the chute once before and would be happy to explain my experience and give out a few pointers. Ice chute - ice axe, helmet, and crampons are a must though.

Hope to say hello there.

Andrew
hi I'm new here and just testing how i comment here. I'm only wearing trail crampons, and i think ill be ok up the chute. next week.
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/26/17 05:54 AM
See the Trip Reports forum for several good ones:

    Whitney Trail Summit Success 6/24/17

    Whitney Summit 2017-06-19

    Monday, June 19th, 2017 ascent

Posted By: Gwen40 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/26/17 11:58 AM
Hi Dustin! I'll be up there 2-4. We're taking crampons and ice axes. I don't see the use of one without the other. We're camping at trail camp. It would be great to say hello to fellow travelers.
Posted By: rdev Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/26/17 04:32 PM
Hello All-
(also posted under 'Trip Reports'
This post might be relevant to people, who like me, are rookies on ice / snow. I will try to be as methodical and analytical as possible, so apologies for the length of this missive. Also please note this is my personal experience only!

I will start with my skill set so you can calibrate your expectations:
1. I have done a decent amount of trail running at high altitudes, so I am not a rookie when it comes to mountains.
2. I went up Mt. Whitney on 6/22/14 and it took me 9h15m (as a reference)
3. I had no altitude sickness this time, unlike in 2014 (so that was not a debilitating factor)
4. I have very little experience skiing or snowboarding or glissading (if you do, you may be much more 'at home' on the trip than I was).

Given above my observations on this trip below:
1. This was one of the MOST difficult and honestly terrifying 'treks' I have ever done. I did cactus to clouds in a few hours (you can check it out on google) but this was a totally different ball game. why? the terrain and my lack of familiarity with snow and ice. I have enough experience on trails to know when one is NOT in control and on this trip I felt 'situation was out of control' more than a few times. Why? My lack of familiarity with snowy and icy terrain. I met a few people on the trail, who like me were using and Ice-axe & crampons for the first time. Please note, if you are new to this, do not waste your time and money trying to 'trek' up without these 2 pieces of equipment. The margin for error is SMALL and the risk-reward ratio is totally skewed against you, i.e. 'I made it to the summit' vs a major injury.
2. Second error on my part given the new terrain was my going solo! it was dumb luck that i ran into 4 angels right at the start, who not only paced me but had excellent snow / ice skills. Two of the guys had only micro-spikes but they have had extensive experience snow boarding and skiing, so 'glissading standing up' was walk in the park for them, which was absolutely terrifying for me given the declivity coming down.
3. The very first 'stream' we pass (I dont know the name) which is barely a mile from the start is a raging 'river'! This was at 3am in the morning. Which means it gets non-linearly worse as sun comes out. The guys tried to step on rocks to avoid getting wet but the rocks are at the edge of the stream, which means if you slip you fall deep, which is a risk i did not want to take given the water velocity. There i just 'waded' in with my 'gore-tex' boots and gaiters. Too bad, that 'gore-tex' equipment does not work if you walk into shin deep water. So now I had another 19miles to go with wet shoes and socks. My suggestion? Get sandals. Wear them till mirror lake (where you will have another set of obstacles to deal with but NOT shin deep water)
4. I trudged along with wet shoes and water (= both weight a LOT more by the way since I use heavy hiking socks) since I had only one more pair of thick hiking socks (another mistake. keep atleast 4-5 pairs or best start with, sandals)
5. You will come across a LOT more water including the 'log bridge' which is NO longer intact given one log has rolled off. I had sort of given up on walking in wet socks and shoes by then so just walked the whole stream!
6. Excluding water at all sorts of random places it was uneventful, the way I like it, till you get past outpost camp / mirror lake. Post mirror lake the trail is under snow / ice. We ran into guys who were lost. They had a GPS which unfortunately is not updating real-time (i.e. 200% snow pack for 2017)! I used alltrails pro and downloaded a route some guy had take. This was vital given we had no one else around and would have wasted valuable time 'exploring'.
7. After a climb through a snowy section, out came the crampons AND ice-axe (which is not an option for first timers, in my view). Now, one of the guys in our 'group' (remember I was super lucky to meet these guys) had done classes on ice skills and knew exactly when to take crampons out! We 'cramponed' up to Trail camp and there one could see the so called 'chute'! It scared the living daylights out of me to be honest. Its a serpentine path which shoots straight up, then left, straight and then sharp left, straight to Trail Crest. Mind you, you look down from Crest below it is almost a VERTICAL drop (closer to 70degree decline I would guess)
8. While going on this 'path' with rookie ice-axe and crampon skills (which somehow came intuitively to me, maybe will, for most, I have no idea) even though I was with the group we had some distance between us. 2 were in front of me and 2 behind. About 600 feet below the Crest, where it starts feeling 'vertical' I realized than I had made a sharper left climb up than I should have. People were using 'steps' which others had used before, further to my right! Now I had 2 options go back down (which anyone who has spent time on mountains knows is WAY MORE difficult than going up) or try to traverse laterally to my right! This entailed me making 'steps' using my crampons (kick, kick, kick till you get a foot hold) and move laterally, while NOT looking down. This was simply the most 'out of control' situation I have been in. There only 2 guys above me and 2 below. So not a lot of people. Luckily the snow was firm and my process worked. This also means post 8am it will get exponentially more complex to try to make your way up especially for rookies (since ice will crumble under your weight).
9. The last 50 feet people were using the 'spike' side of the ice-axe! That tells you how steep the final section is. (if you dont know what 'spike' is on an axe you want to re-think this). The whole section when one turns left to go UP the chute is like a vertical stair master climb. It is relentless on your legs and nothing like what I am used to (orthogonal to trail running to put it mildly)
10. post Trail crest 'walk in the park' BUT I was MORE exhausted than I remember in 2014 even though I did NOT have AMS this time unlike last! This was ALL stress due to the climb up the chute. Also I had finished my 3L bladder of water by Trail camp! This is again exceptional and clearly I was drinking way more water than last time (or my usual consumption).
11. The last 200 feet to summit are again snowed out. So had to scramble but now we ran into a number of people, so just followed them (otherwise you NEED a GPX where someone has gone recently)
12. At the top ALL I could think of was how the heck will I get down the Chute! eek
13. Came back to Trail crest quickly. There was a group of 4 who chose to 'crampon' down the chute! God bless them and others who were doing it. Simple physics tells me, going down my center of gravity is the WRONG WAY compared to going up! Everyone in my group (who were snow Gods to me) decided going down on their 'bottom' i.e. glissading which was music to me.
14. This came with its own issues! There is a 'glissade tube' (I am calling it that) that looks like a bobsled track where people go down. I let them go since I knew I am going to take A LOT of time on this. Again what I thought I knew on using an ice-axe (which is ABSOLUTE CRITICAL for your cranium while glissading down a 65degree decline) was utter rubbish. Simple rule: ALWAYS keep the pick facing back! The tube has been used (I am guessing) for the last couple of months. Since then snow has been melting. Hence the 'entrance' to the tube is good 5feet below where once stands on the Crest! eek So I had to somehow, relying on my axe get down into the tube, making sure I dont slip down! Incredible! Coming down was, again part fun and part sheer terror. Ex-post not sure which feeling dominated. Its almost vertical for 1200 feet (13.6k to 12.4k in altitude). Though you dont do the whole distance in one step, you get up, crampon and then I chose to glissade to Trail camp while others just walked down. Another point to note on 'glissading': you will gain extremely HIGH velocity in NO time going down on steep ice! There were sections where despite my attempts at excessive control using the axe I gained excessively high speeds. There was a brief moment where I was literally hanging by my axe! Then I had to make a 'step' and then let go of the axe. eek Also if you think you are wearing crampons while glissading down and will use them for resistance please re-think this 'adventure'!
15. Note: above is my personal experience. For reference: there was one guy going up in trail runners and 2 bottles of water! He made it to the top and assuming back! There were people simply 'walking down', taking giant steps, down the 'chute'! shocked So if you have tons of experience on ice and snow, I don't think your frame of reference will match mine and feel free to discard these data points! I had a guy behind me in the 'glissade tube' whom I was 'slowing down a LOT!' I apologized but I am too risk-averse to go down at 40mph out of control!
16. Coming down was no drama for a change and again I got more wet at all the expected and un-expected places. Note, the streams bulge up big time with rising sun and we had dark clouds gathering while we were leaving Trail Camp. So guessing they had rainfall which would have meant even more water. I did change my socks at the summit but shoes weighed a ton by then, so did not matter.
17. We reached back to our cars at 4:30pm! That means the whole trip took us 13h30m (we started at 3am on a new moon night)! shocked This was almost 4h30m MORE than last time!
Body now feels fine, so clearly the lack of experience on the terrain was the main fatigue factor.
I am not a meteorologist but given the snow I would be surprised if switchbacks open till August if not September.
Overall: If you are a 'fair weather hiker / runner' like me then wait for switchbacks to open up and snow to melt. Our beautiful Mt. Whitney is not going anywhere.
ps: I do NOW know how to use crampons and ice-axe! But how would I react if I slip on ice? I have no idea.
Posted By: Gwen40 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/27/17 12:53 PM
Rdev,

Did you use mountaineering boots and crampons or did you have crampons that fit on your hiking boots? Thanks!
Posted By: rdev Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/27/17 01:58 PM
Hi-

My 'equipment':
Salomon Quest 4D 2 GTX mid-weight hiking shoes
Black Diamond Ice Axe (60)- rented from REI
Black Diamond Contact strap crampons - rented from REI
OR Crocodile Gaiters
Smartwool mountaineering heavy hiking socks x2

I cannot re-iterate enough, ice-axe is NOT optional. Its always about tail risks on mountains and how one does a 'self-arrest' on ice/snow with hiking poles is beyond my comprehension.

Hope this helps

thanks!
Posted By: Climber Joe Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/27/17 04:37 PM
Last minute decided to drive up alone from LA Thurs night, motel 6 Mohave, 8am 6/23 Fri at the Interagency for walk-ins. None left, so returned 11am and scored an overnight permit. Began at Portal at 1pm, arrived at Trail Camp near 6pm. I'm a fairly experienced non-snow hiker/climber and somewhat minimalist.

--water crossings annoying but not a real issue. To save time I walked in croc type sandals all the way up to past Mirror lake

--past mirror lake people were going off trail on the snow to the left toward the Consultation (?) Lake side. I tried to stay on the original trail going right. Required some scrambling and a short snow traverse over steep terraine, but eventually got to Trail Camp probably similar or faster than the snow detour.

--whats with people leaving wag bags all over trail camp? Defeats the purpose.

--a constant low headache overnight is my kryptonite at high altitudes. So this trip was just a bit better than last year's one day effort, but not by much.

--began the chutes up 6am. I brought winter boots and compact crampons with no front teeth. No ice axe no poles. Steep scary, but I dont believe I was in danger, due to snow condition (see below re glissading). Just use the previous hiker's footsteps, step by step. I pickep up a broken hiking pole on the way up and it helped support my rests, but no fool should rely on it for actual safety. Like the axe: id prolly buy one, but for convenience in temp anchor rests as you plod up. The real safety should be in your sense of balance, and snow condition (ie Not icy).

--the last 30 feet feel vertical, but as in climbing, it means the steps/holds are better

--arrived at Trail Crest in about 110 mins.

--the next two miles to top are for me the toughest I've ever hikes. I think my body just shuts down. There was a snow patch near the end, but easily maneuvered. Top at 10am. Collapsed slept an hour. Saw lots of pct people fir whom the hike was an easy side trip.

--back at TC about 12:30pm. Ready to glissade. Here was a bit of chaos. One group of newbies with shiny gear clogged the ever deepening downchute for ages. One guy was scared and just couldnt continue. I and others had to bypass and traverse to use alternative lines down. I found that the butt down, cramponed boots approach was best for the conditions. When speed picked up, I jammed in my hiking stick with both hands for a little control. But the best control was putting out my arms against the walls of the chute. If the bottom were not clogged with ppl, there woulda been less concern to slow down.

--down in 20 mins. Packed up and descended to car ahead of a storm.

--my conclusions: a good pair of crampons needed. and ice axe would be nice but not necessary: the false confidence on gear without knowledge on usage, plus neglecting other conditions (snow condition, fitness, other ppl waiting to get down) makes it a wash.

--i would think the conditions i experienced would not last long, due to warmer weather and continued usage erosion of the snow chute area.

--lastly: i firgot to return the bear canister. Anyone know the Interagency mailing address? Seems they dont answer the phone.



Posted By: iopk Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/27/17 04:41 PM
Hey y'all, my team will be attempting to summit in two weeks (July 8th). My team will consist of myself and 4 other guys. My climbing buddy and I recently summited Shasta so we have some ice experience, but the other three don't.

So I'm thinking about getting them familiar with the ice axe and crampons before we head up the Chute. We're thinking of taking the mountaineer route, but because of the inexperience from the other guys, I'm thinking we'll probably take the regular route.

Thoughts?

Thanks everyone! This is such a great community!
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/27/17 05:47 PM
Originally Posted By: Climber Joe
--lastly: i firgot to return the bear canister. Anyone know the Interagency mailing address? Seems they dont answer the phone.

Thanks for the report, CJ. I googled address sierra interagency visitor center, and got this:

US-395 & CA-136, Lone Pine, CA 93545

I am pretty sure USPS and UPS would deliver to that address.
Hi Folks. Planning on a quick one night trip up to Meysan Lakes this weekend with the girlfriend and dog. Has anyone been up there recently that can let me know what to expect? From what I have found I am expecting snow around 10,000' but any other info would be great. I have quite a bit of experience elsewhere in the Sierras but I have never been up this particular trail before. Thanks!
Posted By: over1812 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/28/17 04:29 AM
Encinitas_Guy, your query may be lost in this thread; I suggest starting a new post, probably titled "What to expect at Meysan Lakes".

Edit: A good answer posted here.
Posted By: mkontanist Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/28/17 07:23 AM
Hey guys I'm planning a day hike on July 10th.

I've read a multitude of reports about groups reaching the summit via the main trail. However I have not heard a peep about the Mountaineer's route conditions.

If there is still a ton of snow on the chute, does it mean the Mountaineer's route is a lost cause?

Edit: See this thread: Iceberg Lake & Mountaineers Route conditions
Posted By: Stu Rampage Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/28/17 09:56 AM
Hello!

I summited Mt. Whitney for the 15th time last weekend and have often relied on the good people of this board for trail reports. So I would like to post my inaugural report as a way to pay forward this assistance as people look to summit this summer.

First, let me give you some context on who (me) this report is coming from. I am a hiker in good shape - parking lot to top in less than four hours is my personal record (last Friday was 5h8m - sad face). I am NOT a technical climber, or at least a very amateur one at best. So take what I am about to tell you with whatever grain of salt you choose!

Punchline: if you are an average hiker/first-timer, skip 2017. Not your year. Mountain will be there in 2018 and beyond. Conditions, namely the trail inundation by snow AND the very rapid melt that will continue thru the summer, make Whitney a technical climb more than an extended hike. For the normal hiking approach, it is MUCH MORE difficult than usual, if not borderline dangerous for people with limited technical skills.

Issues:
- You are going to get wet (up to your knees) multiple times wading thru streams. From the log crossing onward (one log gone, other inverted so effectively gone). This means wet feet/socks for the majority of the hike - no bueno.
- Trail disappears very soon into the hike, so you will be hiking on snow for the vast majority of your time on the mountain; microspikes and hiking poles will work best
- Going up the chute with microspikes/crampons and hiking poles/ice axe is very strenuous, *much more so* than the switchbacks. Snow melt leaves little to follow in terms of footprint trail so you will be trailblazing.
- Coming down the same chute is tricky - glissading isn't a fun toboggan run; it requires skill to properly self-arrest otherwise you risk becoming a snowball going down a black diamond slope. In my amateurish approach, I didn't use gloves and my hands became a bloody mess, likely permanent scarring.

I hope this feedback is helpful - not trying to fear-monger or dissuade folks from what is a true national treasure. If you have specific questions, please email me at sturampage@gmail.com.

Ole!

STU



If glissading is a bloodysport, is hiking back down the chute a "safe" option?
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/28/17 06:51 PM
Originally Posted By: koredirector

If glissading is a bloodysport, is hiking back down the chute a "safe" option?

If you descend when it is sunny, it is pretty easy and safe. If it is late in the day so the sun has descended behind the crest, and weather is cool enough that the snow has iced up, that is when going is not so safe.

In fact, glissading when the chute has iced up is infinitely more dangerous, too. Walking down the slope is better in this situation, but this is where crampons would be way better than microspikes.

When people have been injured or worse on this slope has always been when it turned to ice.
Posted By: amit Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/28/17 07:41 PM
I agree with Steve. I was on the chute last June at around 3pm and it was all icy. I tried to glissade but couldn't control my speed. A fellow hiker grabbed me while I was gaining speed. From that point, I walked down the chute. It was way more tiring as compared to climbing the chute. I had to make steps to get firm grip. It took me around 3 hours.
Posted By: Sweden Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/29/17 02:56 AM
Hi, we are preparing for hiking to the summit on July 6th. Does anyone know how many miles and elevation gain the chute is? We did a training hike that was 2.8 miles and had 2,700 ft of elevation gain, in the snow, and only used hiking boots and hiking poles. We are trying to get an idea of how that would compare to the chute on Mt Whitney - any insights would be very helpful. Thank you !
Posted By: Yueming Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/29/17 03:39 AM
Really, it was already icy at 3:00 pm, I thought 3:00 pm is still hot to make snow slushy!!! If I plan to glissade down this Saturday (July 1st), what time you think will be good to glissade? Thanks a lot!
Posted By: amit Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/29/17 03:59 AM
Yueming,

Try to glissade down by noon. For that, you should start climbing chute latest by 5am. That's my plan for July 3 climb.
Posted By: Yueming Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/29/17 04:12 AM
Thank you for your suggestion, we are doing day hike, and we are not very fast, so if we have to climb chute at 5:00 am, that means we probably need to start at 1:00 am, wow, that's really early, I previously thought start at 2:00 am. Then I need to change the plan. Thanks a lot, that's very helpful.
How do you add pictures?
Posted By: bsiwecki0 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/29/17 11:06 AM
I'll be hiking in Friday morning and Saturday I am planning to hike up the chute from trail camp. I'm possibly willing to meet up by 3am. Planning to be at the summit just a little before sunrise to do some photography. Let me know if you might be interested

-brian
Posted By: Yueming Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/29/17 11:45 AM
Thank you for inviting me, but 3:00 am is really early for our group since we are doing day hike. I think the earliest time we can approach trail camp is about 5:00 am, you probably won't want to wait for that late.
Posted By: Jack.Yi Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/29/17 04:00 PM
@Yueming,I will do day hike this Saturday myselfe,and this is my first time do Mt Whitney.

can I meet your group at trailhead at 2am?
are you going to take the Old Trail (starting in back of the Portal Pond) to avoid having to cross the North Fork of Lone Pine Creek?

I have reserved a camp site at Whitney portal for Friday and Saturday night,if your group need I can share my camp spot.

Thanks

Jack
Posted By: david_garza Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/29/17 04:41 PM
Originally Posted By: Stu Rampage
Punchline: if you are an average hiker/first-timer, skip 2017.

How likely is it that Trail Camp and switchbacks will be snowed/iced in August?
Posted By: bruce Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/29/17 05:53 PM
Originally Posted By: david_garza
Originally Posted By: Stu Rampage
Punchline: if you are an average hiker/first-timer, skip 2017.

How likely is it that Trail Camp and switchbacks will be snowed/iced in August?


Very unlikely, I would think. Probably will still be patches of snow on the trail in early August though (especially by the cables and near the summit). But nothing that a first-timer has good cause to cancel a trip over.

August and September should be good for hiking Mt. Whitney. September will be better this year because streams will be lower and any remaining snow patches covering the trail from the previous season's storms will be gone.
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/29/17 06:25 PM
Originally Posted By: david_garza
How likely is it that Trail Camp and switchbacks will be snowed/iced in August?

They should be clear by August.
Posted By: david_garza Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/29/17 07:36 PM
Thanks Bruce and Steve. Ice axes and snow camping aren't for me.
Posted By: Yueming Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/30/17 01:11 AM
Hi, I definitely would like to go with you, but we are not great hiker, and it's also our first time, so we actually also a lit bit nervous about it, and yes, we would like to take old trail to skip the first stream, please feel free to text me at 8019537684.
Originally Posted By: mkontanist
Hey guys I'm planning a day hike on July 10th.

I've read a multitude of reports about groups reaching the summit via the main trail. However I have not heard a peep about the Mountaineer's route conditions.

If there is still a ton of snow on the chute, does it mean the Mountaineer's route is a lost cause?

Edit: See this thread: Iceberg Lake & Mountaineers Route conditions


Would LOVE to hear someone's take on this. Have a permit for July 15 with the intent of doing the Mountaineer's Route.
Posted By: NaniTree Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/30/17 06:02 PM
My group of 4 has a Sunday day permit and are beginning our ascent at either 1 or 2am from Whitney Portal. Any more recent trail updates appreciated! We'll make sure to add our trail condition observations when we get back.

We have our gear for the snow: ice axes, climbing helmets, and have had a bit of trouble securing crampons. Hoping to pick up rentals tonight or at Lone Pines. If that doesn't work are microspikes okay? Any thoughts on that?

Also any news on the river crossings and whether it's possible to get through without getting wet shoes?

Final question: Anyone have a cal topo map with a route they suggest? (Here is an example of what I mean: http://caltopo.com/m/G37C [ps. this person really seems to value their burgers and beer)

Thank you - and for those who are also hiking up on Sunday, see you on the trail!!
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/30/17 07:14 PM
NaniTree:
Some people make it up and back with microspikes, but most say they're not a good idea.

Plan on wading in a few places.

Your CalTopo map is right on the nose for the Main Trail. You will vary from that if you choose to take more direct routes where the snow covers the trail too much -- especially the switchbacks.

Please take pictures and report back:
Any water crossings where you need to wade
Outpost Camp -- water on the trail
First significant snow
Zoom in on the cables section on the switchbacks, if you can find them.
Posted By: Nico1234 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 06/30/17 08:50 PM
Hello, guys
I went up to the summit on Tuesday, June 28, going up the Chute like most other people. The interesting part is that on the summit I met two young guys who said they had come via the switchbacks. They didn't have any crampons or microspikes, only hiking boots. However, they also said they found snow in a few places and had to scramble up the rocks to avoid them. Those guys were young, athletic and experienced hikers.

Maybe someone who climbed the switchbacks could give first hand information, I haven't seen the switchbacks myself. The snow at Trail Camp and on the Chute is melting fast, so any trip report might become obsolete after a few days.
Posted By: NaniTree Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/01/17 12:20 AM
Thanks for the response Steve. We will do what we can to take pictures and report back on those items!

Also - The ranger had expressed concern about wet avalanches among other dangers. Anyone know more about this and the risk level/what to look out for?

Thanks
Posted By: NaniTree Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/01/17 12:21 AM
Interesting to hear! The person at the ranger station who I talked with over the phone expressed that the switchbacks were very dangerous to take until the snow is entirely gone.
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/01/17 05:55 AM
Just a note... some rangers in the Visitor Center have never hiked the trail, especially in these conditions. They express warnings and caution so you can't come back if you get hurt, and blame them. There are risks to outdoor adventures, and if you go, you need to be fully aware of that.

Not seen any reports of avalanches on the Main Trail this year. In past years, they have always followed very recent heavy storms. There was an avalanche in the Mountaineers Route about a month ago where someone got hurt.

Also, early in the season when the switchbacks become the most-used route, the cables are pretty tricky. The snow melts away below the cables first, with the load remaining over the trail, so people hang onto the cables and make their way along the OUTSIDE. That is definitely dangerous, if you can't hang on.
Posted By: Mule Rider Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/01/17 07:02 PM
I am planning a Back County approach to Mt Whitney via Horse Shoe, Golden Trout Wilderness, Kern River Valley and then up to Guitar Lake and the Peak. I'll hit the trail on July 15th and summit around the 23rd or 24th depending on my side trips. I should have a pretty good assessment of the trail from Guitar to Peak and down to the Portal that the August hikers should be able to use. That is unless I cant handle returning to the city and I turn back and exit out Rock Creek and Cotton Wood...!
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/03/17 05:20 PM
Here's a current YouTube video. It is long, but shows the water crossings, etc:
Published on Jul 2, 2017 by jose luis de la rosa
https://youtu.be/Agn-wzFd_34

Posted By: Neil B Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/03/17 05:30 PM
I have an overnight permit for 7/12-7/13. Originally had a party of four and now down to two. Wanted to see if anyone will be on the trail these days. Planning to camp at Trail Camp and, depending on conditions, attempt the climb up the chute early the following AM. I was hoping the switchbacks would be accessible by now but looks like that won't be the case by next week. I've never hiked Whitney, have always wanted to but never made the time. Been looking forward to this for a long time. I have experience hiking and backpacking at elevation/snow but am not a mountaineer. I plan to bring my crampons and ice axe for the chute.

I was at the portal yesterday (stopped by on my way home from camping near Rock Creek and hiking to Ruby lake...amazing) and heard that the trail has not been very crowded on the weekdays, I'd like to join up with others if anyone will be up during those days. I'll be camping at the portal on 7/11. Please reply and I can forward contact info.
Thanks and happy trails
Posted By: matchoow Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/03/17 09:01 PM
This is my attempt to summarize my trip from 6/29-7/1.

Group: 3 of us. All first timers and have been using mountains like Baldy as training preparation. We didn't have any snow experience.

Equipment: We brought trekking poles and the Hillsound Trail Crampons which are flexible spikes that are in between microspikes and Crampons.

Weather: Great weather as it was sunny, moderate temperatures, and very little wind.

Route: Main trail and we camped at Trail Camp for two nights. We went up and down the Chute and also came down the Old Trail on our descent, but the first river crossing up wasn't bad.

Description: We had read multiple reports from this forum of varying opinions on the snow impacts before our trip. Many were saying that Crampons and ice axes were musts and having the technical skills and know how to glissade was mandatory. However, after completing this, we were able to safely scale the Chute with our poles and semi-crampons and able to glissade as first timers with a little practice at the top of the chute.

The river crossings weren't terrible. The first one you cross is probably the largest one with a decent flow of water. At the time we crossed (6/29) it was probably about knee deep in the deepest areas but you could hit rocks that allowed you to step and not have any water bleed into your boots. The only other one I would mention would be the small stream right before you hit Outpost camp. We were forced to take off our shoes and just wade in the freezing waters barefoot. If you choose to use your shoes, just note that it'll seep in as the water gets about knee deep in the middle.

Our first true snow was after you summit the rocks leading out of Outpost Camp and hit the middle boulders heading to Trail Camp. Strap on as you'll likely need your spikes in this area.

Trail Camp was relatively snow free in the camping areas with snow only on the sides and middle. We summited the next day (6/30) up the Chute which took us 3-4 hours. Our group was slower than the average. I didn't find the difficulty to be terrible but you just want to take your time and really dig your poles or axe into the snow. I liked the technique of kicking into the snow with my toes first vs trying to land flat footed.

Once you get to the top of the Chute, the next 2 miles to the summit are snow free and offer gorgeous views of Sequoia. Keep note that when you're close to the Summit, you'll have a tough climb with switchbacks and mini bouldering. Keep an eye out for the Cairns as those will lead the way the last .2-.3 miles.

On our descent, we didn't want to walk down the chute and wanted to experience glissading. We had never done anything like it, however, were told to lean a little on your side and use the handle of our trekking poles to dig into the snow and brake. Putting your weight onto this allowed us to easily slow down. If we felt unsafe at any moment, self arresting by putting more weight onto the handle and using our feet spread out helped us stop. We were able to go down the Chute in a couple mins.

The next day leaving Trail Camp to Outpost can get a little tricky as the path we followed in the snow led us to the right of the boulders where there's a steady stream of water under thin snow pack. Not sure how to exactly pinpoint, but once you get closer to the boulders, but staying a little left center allows you to get onto the rocks easily. We did see some Cairns that indicated where we should go.

After Outpost, it's a pretty easy hike down and definitely recommend stopping at lone pine lake to visit.

Overall: We had a wonderful experience. It was definitely a struggle at times with our pack weight, our fatigue at high altitudes, and just the exhaustion from lack of sleep that naturally comes with a trip of this sorts. We didn't really understand the strong concerns for people who aren't familiar with Glissading or hiking in snow. Think you just can practice a bit at the lower levels and be okay after a few mins.
Posted By: Yueming Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/03/17 09:09 PM
Hi All

Our group finally successfully make the top in July 1st, I learned a lot from here, so I want to share my experience here. (My English is not very good, sorry for the bad writing.)

We have four people in our group, and we are intermediate hiker, we arrived to lone pine at 12:00 pm, then picked up the permit and go to the trailhead to check out the conditions there. We hike a little bit from old trail to the junction of the main trail and meet three group heading down, none of them make the top, but they give us some good suggestions, like don't bring too much clothes but bring additional watershoe (basically the same suggestions I learned from this forum)

1. We start and meet Jack at 1 am from old trail, the old trail is very easy to follow as long as you find the trailhead from that big rock, I think everyone should take the old trail to avoid the first water crossing, but sadly seems still not too many people know about it.

2. We hiked a little fast at the beginning, one of our member feel leg cramps after 1 hour before we reach Lone Pine Lake, so we slow down a little bit, so my suggestion is to make your backpack as light as possible and slow down but keep going.

3. The log crossing is fixed, so no water crossing necessary there, but there is deep water between Lone Pine Lake and Outpost Camp where you have to cross, so we change to watershoe, then we take off the watershoe and hide it behind a rock when we head to the mirror lake.

4. There is still a lot of snow on the trail after Mirror Lake, we put on crampons there, and reached Trail Camp at 5:30 am, just about sunrise. We each ate some food and pumped water at Trail Camp, we make sure everyone have 3 L water when we start from Trail Camp.

5. We start to use ice axe to hike up the chute at about 6:30 am, the snow is still solid at that time, but it's already a little slushy when we reach the top at 9:20 am, there is a big rock area on the chute, some people take off crampon and walked from that rock to avoid part of the snow, I think it's a good idea if you are not very good at climbed on snow. And I meet one guy make the chute with ice axe and microspiker, but according to him, microspiker is not as useful as crampon at chute.

6. We rest for a bit and leave some gear at Trail Crest to make the backpack a little bit lighter, then head to summit, the last 2.8 miles traverse to summit is exhausting and endless, we don't feel sick but can only hike up very slowly at that altitude. Then we finally make the top at 11:30 am. I see some people leave wag bag on trail and summit, that's horrible.

7. We get back on trail crest at 2:00 pm, and glissade from chute, the "tubeline" from glissade is pretty cool, the snow is quite slushy at that time, we can able to control our speed with feet and ice axe. Actually, other three people in our group don't have much experience on snow, but they still successfully glissade down from the tubeline. Most of people with ice axe choose to glissade down, but Jack is able to hike down because he don't have a ice axe, so hiking down is also doable as long as you take your time and be careful, especially you can use the rock area to help you avoid half of the snow in chute.

8. Then we get back to the car at about 7:30 pm. A very very long day, but worthwhile. The last suggestion I have is that try not break too long each time, we mistakenly break for about 1 hours at least 3 times, just slow down and keep going is better I think.
Very helpful!! Thanks a lot. Can you comment on the temperature along the trail - starting with what it was when you started the hike, to what it was at sunrise, then around noon? Trying to figure out what sort of layers will be needed. Thanks a lot.
Posted By: Debster Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/04/17 04:11 PM
Timberlinetrails.com tells current weather conditions.
Posted By: Yueming Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/04/17 04:28 PM
It's actually pretty warm all day, we start with a long T-shirt and a windproof jacket and bring two more T-shirt in my backpack, then I take off the jacket just hike with my long T-shirt, it get a little chill near mirror lake, then I put back my jacket, then just hike with my jacket for the rest trail, I don't use the extra T-shirt at all, so I think you should check out the weather at summit, if it's not super windy or cloudy, I think T-shirt and one more windproof jacket should be fine.
Posted By: Bobby49 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/04/17 06:52 PM
Anecdotal information from one person or two is not very valid.

I've been on the summit once per year for forty years, so I have seen a broad spectrum of weather during June and July.

Most of the times I can get by with a couple of thin layers with a good wind shell over that. However, when the wind blows, it can get very cold. I've often had to add a thick sweater and a puffy down jacket, plus a warm hat and gloves. I've been rained on, snowed on, and sleeted on. On top of that, you can get a serious sunburn up there.
Posted By: CEric G Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/04/17 07:38 PM
Originally Posted By: Bobby49
Anecdotal information from one person or two is not very valid.

I've been on the summit once per year for forty years, so I have seen a broad spectrum of weather during June and July.

Most of the times I can get by with a couple of thin layers with a good wind shell over that. However, when the wind blows, it can get very cold. I've often had to add a thick sweater and a puffy down jacket, plus a warm hat and gloves. I've been rained on, snowed on, and sleeted on. On top of that, you can get a serious sunburn up there.


Good advice. Even on day hikes I carry cold weather gear. It's a small insurance premium to pay but once or twice every few years, worth it.
First, thank you all for taking your time to share Whitney’s experiences and offer suggestions! Particularly, I want to thank Matchoow and Yueming for the recent updates. We are going to climb Whitney on July, 6 so any information is greatly appreciated.

I know majority of hikers climb the chute, avoiding the snowy switchbacks, but I came across the following details from the Whitney Portal Store Message Board:

Posted by jshuttle5 on June 30, 2017

“…if climbing the very* steep and challenging chute is not what you want to do, then you will be out of climbing options and out of luck.
However, if you are able to identify the general route of the switchbacks, then you will be able to pull off something cool. The beginning of the switchbacks is covered in snow. The only track in the snow goes straight to the switchbacks, turning slightly to the right.
However, if you merely go straight to the rock field in front of you, you will find that the upper portion of the switchbacks (which, like all of the prior route) are free of snow. The switchbacks are easy going, and aside from a difficult stretch near the cables and a few snow patches that may require some careful navigation, the switchbacks are alive and well, hiding in plain sight”.

Posted by Jim F on July 1, 2017

” Yesterday I saw several people on the switch backs at one time or another. As I enjoyed a snack at Trail Crest, several hikers descended from Discovery Pinnacle. I asked if they had just come up from the Crabtree Lakes drainage. No, they said they had just come up the switch backs. They were on the switch backs for much of their ascent, but did some scrambling when they lost the trail or snow/ice was a problem”.

If someone attempted the switchbacks recently, please, post what you think! We are going to try the switchbacks and see what happens!
Thanks again for sharing your experiences.
Posted By: Bobby49 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/04/17 09:09 PM
Part of the problem is that a first timer up there in mostly solid snow isn't going to have a clue as to where the normal switchback trail is above the cable section. You can look at photos all you want, but you better have excellent navigational aids. If you have a detailed GPS track stored in a GPS receiver, and if you know that you have plenty of extra battery power for it, then you might be able to follow it. On the other hand, climbing up a loose scree slope isn't for everybody, either.

One year, back about year 2 or 3 for me, we ran into solid snow at the cable section, so we just climbed straight up until we got to the Discovery Pinnacle. Then we had to ridge-walk over and down to Trail Crest.
Bobby49,
Absolutely: " but you better have excellent navigational aids".
Also, I count on my husband's good navigation skills and on our general ability to re-strategize. Gathering any helpful information helps too! So, thank you for your response, Bobby!
Posted By: Bobby49 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/04/17 10:19 PM
I guess part of the problem is that lots of Whitney hikers get a little hypoxic up there. When your brain gets that way, one of the first things to be lost is good judgment. So, if you can keep comparing notes with the rest of your teammates, it tends to contribute to a successful climb, and it also diminishes the business for the local county coroner.
Posted By: IdEaMaNi Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/04/17 10:38 PM
@MountainGoat - My friend and me are going to try and summit on 8th. We have been following the forum and there has been mixed review about switchbacks and chute. I tried to summit last year in May but had to abandon due to excessive snow. We were post holing waist deep near the camp. Given the conditions and trip reports, it looks like play as you go situation. Please post your experience as it will be extremely helpful for our climb! smile Thanks and good luck!
IdEaMaNi,

I've been also following the forum, gathering important information even though conditions on the trail change rapidly, and yes, "play as you go! I will post our experience as soon as possible.
Meanwhile, if this helps, here is a summary of the recent posts related to the switchbacks and chute experiences (from the general Whitney Zone forum, but from different threads):

Posted on July 1:

"summit 6/29/17- i slept at trail camp overnight 6/28 into 6/29. left camp at 5 am, headed up chute. Hillsound trail crampons (microspikes), and trek poles ONLY. climbed halfway up chute, felt totally unsafe without real crampons and/or ice axe, so traversed left towards switchbacks. that was scary. got to rocks, and scrambled till i found switchbacks uncovered. scrambled around, cutting up wherever i could find exposed switchbacks. got almost to top ridge, and started heading right towards trail crest. crossed over the snow towards the top, till crest. walked to summit, arrived about 9 or so. back down to crest, and wasn't even trying to go down chute from top without the axe! traversed across ridge till above where switchbacks are. cut down wherever i could see switchbacks. finally got to cables, which were still covered in snow, but was able to hang onto them from outside and across. found more clear switchbacks and cut down them till i felt i was low enough to slide without an axe safely. again, i did it w microspikes and trek poles only, but would've felt safer w the axe. but if anyone feels nervous about descending chute for whatever reason, maybe explore this route. the rocks were a little loose and gravelly cutting switchbacks but i felt more comfortable this way. hope this helps!"

more details from the same guy:

"...started climbing chute at 5. got halfway up chute and felt totally unsafe without axe, so traversed left to the rocks where some switchbacks were findable. went straight up switchbacks over rocks, scrambling, up way towards the ridge. at the top, traversed back to the right and towards trail crest over snowfield just below ridge, until crest. from there to summit no snow. descent- back to trail crest, and across rocks and snowfield to above the switchbacks. i did this figuring get myself as low as i could, to limit my chances of something bad happening w a slip, less distance to slide. well, found a lot of switchbacks, and cut straight down where snow covered them. was able to get to the cables, which were still under snow but the tops were able to be grabbed. crossed them, and cut more switchbacks down to where i felt comfortable sliding without an axe. FYI if you find yourself at trail crest headed down without axe and real crampons, explore this method.

One more post:

“We had heard about a few people making it up the switchbacks, which were still covered with snow towards the bottom.
-We opted for the chute but only made it about halfway up when we hit our turn around time of 11am. This is where I wished that I would have opted to bring crampons over microspikes.
-The snow got very slushy very fast. I personally would not climb the chute or attempt the traverse to the cables without an ice ax, but I am also an extremely novice climber.
-Glissading down was lots of fun, but remember to either hold on tight or use a leash on your ax! We saw multiple people lose their axes because the couldn't hold on to it while glissading.

One more post:

“I talked with a young couple on 29th in Trail Camp, they said they went up trail crest thru switchbacks and came down at chute.”

More:

“Many people would prefer to use the switchbacks, so a few hardy souls will go up as far as they can. If it's too tough, they bail and move west to the "chute" (actually the snow slope). At some point, people will succeed all the way on the switchbacks, and lots of people, then most people, will take that route. I think it's a word-of-mouth message that is passed among hikers sharing notes in Trail Camp.

If there is too much snow on the switchbacks to make them unusable, then there will be enough snow on the slope to climb up and glissade down.”

More:

“During the winter, the chute is the clear choice. It takes you directly to Trail Crest with no route-finding problems, and it is much faster than the switchbacks. It also offers the opportunity to glissade or even ski down. The switchbacks are difficult to find, let alone follow, in the winter. However, given enough determination, the switchbacks are always passable.

Little by little, the chute melts out, and rocks get exposed. It becomes dangerous to glissade and easy to punch through and scrape your legs. At the same time, the switchbacks get better as the snow melts.

Mountaineers will use the chute as late into the year as it is safe to do so. Hikers will head for the switchbacks."
Posted By: chicagoan Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/05/17 12:02 AM
I stayed at trail camp on 30th and sumited on 1st with microspikes and ice axe. My advice: bring crampons,either buy or rent. With microspikes,I had to follow other people footprints and it was still difficult to support much of my body weight. When footprints were shallow or no footprints at all, I had to make footholds with ice axe adze, kicking with microspikes didn't do much benefit. It became exhausting rather quickly and I was prepared to bail out anytime, but that became a concern itself because rocks and boulders downhill — you have to watch out where you slide down. I was on my all fours most of time and made sure I was holding my ice axe firmly with each climb. I eventually climbed a bit the rock field and ate a bar while rested there for a long time.That seemed to give me enough strength to push over the last snow field. It took me 3 hours to climb the chute. The snow felt slushy already in the early morning and it will only get worse.

When you glissading down, remember to wear gloves and holding your ice axe tightly.
Posted By: IdEaMaNi Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/05/17 12:28 AM
Thank you MountainGoat... That is some good information.. smile
Hey all.

Thanks everybody for this whole forum and all the contributions.

I'm doing Whitney for the first time 7/19 - 7/20. Coming up pretty soon. I was assuming by mid July it would be smooth sailing but clearly that's not the case this year! I thought my main worry would be altitude sickness and dealing with the WAG bag.

I'll be solo. I'm a strong hiker, in good shape, but I'm newish -- my experience is peak bagging LA area for the last three years where I rarely hit snow. Still I'm pretty determined to summit if the opportunity presents.

Any thoughts as to crampons or microspikes? Keep in mind I'm trained with neither.

Anything you can add is appreciated.
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/05/17 05:20 AM
Cap. Cord: In two weeks, there should be a well-beaten path up the switchbacks, but likely still snow in sections. Once the switchbacks are generally in use, microspikes are a good option.

Happy July 4, everyone!

So... Doesn't ANYBODY post pictures anymore? This forum is much better if pictures are available.
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/05/17 05:28 AM
Found this picture on Instagram, posted 7/4/17 by jowithnoe

"The Chute"
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/05/17 05:53 AM
First picture from someone hiking the cables. Video shared on the Mt. Whitney facebook group, shared by M Puerto

This picture taken from a video. People using the cables when they are like this hike on the granite outside the cables.

Posted By: IdEaMaNi Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/05/17 12:47 PM
Thanks much Steve C.. These are great photos!! Looks like the snow on the chute is clearing up. has it ever been the case when the snow on the chute cleared up but the switchbacks were still covered in snow?
Steve, thank you so much! May be a combination of the chute and the switchbacks is possible? Leaving for Whitney today, climbing tomorrow! Thank you, all, for information and support. You are an awesome community of hikers!
Quick question for the group - is the trail pretty easy to see in the dark? I've heard people leaving at 2am and 3am some times - do you need a GPS device or will a good headlamp usually be enough assuming the trail is well marked? How about once you hit snow - is it fairly well marked?
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/05/17 03:34 PM
The trail is snow-free until above Mirror Lake. It is above Mirror Lake that the trail is harder to follow anyway.
Posted By: Chad H Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/05/17 03:45 PM
Have fun Mountain Goat! I look forward to your report. I will be there on July 20th.
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/05/17 04:22 PM
These pictures posted on FB by Mauricio Puerto


His post:
Quote:
Update on the 99 switchbacks. I went up via the chute and down the 99 Switchbacks. I think about 80-85% of the trail is clear. Lots of dangerous areas like the cables and higher up some of the snow crossing to connect back to the trail. If you fall and slide you will be sliding into rocks on a 45 to 50 degree slope crossing sideways.
I ran into a couple that were going up at around 12:30 and the female fell and it look like she dislocated or fractured her wrist. I offered to carry her pack down to but they refused and wanted to push on. I don't understand why people refuse to call it a day when it was completely obvious that the right thing was to go back down.
Anyway if you decide to do the switchback make sure you skills are good to go. I attached some pictures of areas of concern. If you look on the Strave link you can see the exact location on the switchbacks of the pictures. It only works on a computer not on a phone.


Here are the cables.


At Trail Crest


Near the top


Some of the switchbacks are completely clear


Tough spot at the cables


Below the cables
Steve, thank you for the recent update on the switchbacks- it will help to make the best decision at the time when you come to that bridge and must cross it!
Love Himalayas,
We did the trail up to the Mirror lake a week ago just to get a feel of it and to train before the real climb. We returned to the parking lot in the dark. The trail to the Mirror lake is quite easy and is completely passable with a headlight only. We even had no problem to cross in the dark that roaring waterfall which is approximately one mile away from the portal. No worries about the lower trail at all.

Chad, thank you for your wishes for our tomorrow's climb!
Posted By: Bobby49 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/05/17 06:47 PM
I see from the photos that the switchbacks are starting to open up. I'm sure that will be a relief to the many first-timers up there.
Posted By: plumber Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/05/17 10:47 PM
Hey people; I just summited July 4th after starting at 2:00 AM. I reached the snow field at 4:30 AM, cramponed up, and hiked to the bottom of the chute, looked up, questioned myself (my first time with crampons), it was amazing how much grip they provided. Just like walking, I took right to it. Went up the chute with ice axe in an hour and a half. It was very steep but still did it like I knew what I was doing. The final 2.5 miles to the summit were clear. I came back down and people said to take the swtichbacks, which we tried, and it was terrible and there were undoable sections. We ended up glissading, which we should have done from the beginning, because at that time it was already noon. It was the funnest thing ever! Don't try the switchbacks. Just glissade. It seems intimidating, but it was just total fun. 13-hour round trip.I saw the same lady with the sprained wrist the guy was taping it up ,I said dude you should put her glove back on ,then tape it up!
Posted By: BrianBlair Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/05/17 10:52 PM
I hiked/ran up and down yesterday(4th). We ascended the switchbacks and descended the chute.

The switchbacks are definitely passable. You need to pay attention to where the trail is heading in a few spots and make on the fly decisions for how to avoid a patch of snow and rejoin the trail. There's a few sections where minor 3rd class climbing skills help greatly. The cables are easily passed on the downhill side though there is a short section of rock scrambling to rejoin the trail.

The traverse over to Trail Crest from the switchbacks can either be done on snow or you can scramble up to the ridge and traverse rock/dirt.

We glissaded the chute. I would say an axe is all but mandatory right now if you plan to descend the chute.

We started from portal at 6am and were done at 3. Snow was definitely getting soft on our descent.

We never used our crampons though I was glad to have them just in case.

The wag bag situation is pretty disappointing. I'd ban every one of those people for life if I could.

Snow is melting fast. I would imagine most everyone will be using the switchbacks by this weekend or next.
Posted By: Benc Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/06/17 12:08 AM
Thank you for your report. I have two questions.
What traction devices did you use to climb up the switchbacks, and also is an ice axe necessary/recommended currently for the ascent and decent of the switchbacks.
Thanks for the great info!
Posted By: NaniTree Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/06/17 12:40 AM
Hi all,

A group of three friends an I climbed Mt. Whitney on Sunday, July 2nd. We woke up at 1am and were on the trail at around 2am to begin our ascent. Our pace was pretty slow so we didn't get to trail camp until about 8:30am. By the time we began to head up towards the chute (9:30 or 9:45) the snow was fairly soft so we tried our luck with the switchbacks. Someone had said they were pretty good except for two icy parts.

In hindsight- I think the switchbacks were not ready for people. We had to do a lot of scrambling to avoid the snowy parts or the need to throw on our crampons again. Maybe in softer or sturdier snow it would have been easier? Basically there was a big area of snow in the middle of the switchbacks so you couldn't continue on the trail. Once we made it up, we definitely for sure knew we were not going to head back down that way.

Interestingly, the two people behind us had friends who were attempting to summit to trail crest via the chute. Those friends arrived at Trail Crest at the same time that we arrived at trail crest. Granted- we were moving a little slower than we might have been able to move.

My crew got to trail crest, ate some food, and began the journey to the summit around 1pm. Someone said the summit was only an hour away - this was not true whatsoever. The summit (1.9 miles the sign says) ends up being at least a 2 hour journey and a rough one at that. We made it about a mile away and had to turn around due to our turnaround time and concerns that the chute was going to get too icy and dangerous for us to travel down.

My biggest fear was glissading! However, this ended up being really fun! The snow was still soft around 3:30ish/4 and so during our descent, we were able to move at a slow speed. Most people took the already-carved out chute. I went next door on the fresh snow because the people at Elevation gear shop mentioned that it's easier to go slower if you don't go down the chute. Also, I didn't want to get pummeled by anyone who might loose control behind me. There were people moving at all speeds down the already carved chute. Some people moving super slowly(causing a bit of a traffic jam) and some people moving super fast - purposefully, or because they were out of control.

We probably should have eaten dinner at that point but we were eager to fill up our water, have a snack and head home. The journey home was much longer than expected! Our trip totaled out to 22 hours!! That means we were super delirious and starving by the end.

Main takeaways:

1) Acclimate!!! If you can!! We were less fortunate and didn't have time to acclimate.
2) Rest up - before the trip get adequate sleep so you can be strong and endure the lengthy day hike.
3) If you feel yourself starting to get a headache- eat and drink! Even if you aren't hungry you must make yourself. Altitude affects your appetite and will all of the work on your body, you need it- trust me!
4) Make sure to set times for meals and stick to them
5) The conditions are quickly changing right now. We went on a day that was really hot!! We brought too many layers and could have done with less but didn't expect the heat. Crampons and ice aces were essential for us - that being said- there was a lot of snow melt on July 2. There might be less snow soon.
6) Bringing hiking boots AND chacos was key! There were lots of river crossings on the way up. There was even one extra one after Mirror Lake because of all the snowmelt flooding the trail. By having extra shoes for the water, you can keep moving along without worrying about submerging your boots in the water. Also, on the way back there was even more water because of the day's snowmelt which meant that walking through water was absolutely unavoidable in many areas after passing Mirror Lake.
7) If you are camping at Trail Camp, DO NOT leave food in your tent or loose. Keep it in the bear canister. There are many hungry marmots and chipmunks looking for food. We saw a green Marmot tent being pillaged by marmots.
8) Mt. Whitney is a beautiful place to get engaged! My friend proposed to my other friend at Trail Crest and it was an absolutely stunning, beautiful, and memorable moment <3 I'm super excited for their next chapter together!
9) Check in with Elevation gear shop. Matt was awesome about sharing his thoughts, tips, and helping us get set up with some last minute gear that we needed. Thanks Matt!

My sister took most of the photos so I don't have many myself. That being said, here is a photo from between Trail Camp and the Chute/Switchbacks.

Good luck everyone and have fun!!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWIswgPgWD-/?taken-by=ileguana
Posted By: BrianBlair Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/06/17 02:57 AM
I brought microspikes on Monday but never used them.

I would say an axe is not necessary right now if you are committed to using the switchbacks up and down.
Originally Posted By: Steve C
Cap. Cord: In two weeks, there should be a well-beaten path up the switchbacks, but likely still snow in sections. Once the switchbacks are generally in use, microspikes are a good option.


Thanks Steve. Lets hope that's the case. That would be amazing.

I'm going to start looking for some microspikes. Kahtoola seems to be popular.
Posted By: iopk Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/06/17 06:13 PM
Thanks Steve! I've thought about bringing both my mountaineering boots and my trail runners. I figured since snow on the trail doesn't begin until a bit into the hike, I could stick to my trail runners and switch over to my mountaineering boots + crampons during the chute and the rest?

Thanks!
Posted By: bsiwecki0 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/06/17 07:31 PM
Hey Everyone,

Here is a late report but I reach he summit on Saturday morning (July 1st). This is my breakdown of the trip:

Friday morning around 10AM, I took the old trail behind the big boulder just west of the portal store. I was carrying about 38lbs of gear(10lbs would of photography equipment) and headed up the mountain.

Around 12:30pm, I took a short break at Mirror Lake and had lunch. Lone pine creek was definitely flowing water but with my trekking poles, I managed to hop rocks across the streams and didn't get wet. There was one section that had a lot of water flow so I took off my socks and wades in ankle high water then put them back one. The icy water felt refreshing on my feet!

Just shortly after Mirror Lake, I made my way up to where the W steps were. They were flowing with water but I also notice thats where the snow started and also the trail. Since it was slushy, I did not put on any micropikes on cause it was easy enough to get to trail camp.



I got to trail camp just a little before 2pm and went ahead to set up camp. I talked to people nearby and a few mentioned to take the 99 switchbacks up and take the chute down. I was pretty convinced at this point that I will go ahead and take that opportunity. I went to bed at 7pm and hoped the next day would be successful.

I woke up at 3:30am but went back to bed shortly. I woke up again at 4AM, made breakfast and left at 5AM.

I was walking towards the chute and then next to the random rockpiles before turning towards the actual chute, I saw the cables for the 99 switchbacks. I went ahead and climb towards them.




I got onto the switchbacks, following the streaming water which is a good indicator of going up the right path. From the distance, I saw two Coyotes going up near the chute. When I started from trail camp, I heard some dog barks but wasn't sure. I guess it really was the coyotes that were hanging nearby. Once I reached the trail crest, I was happy with this decision. after 15-20 switchbacks, there is an ice patch you will have to climb about 50ft up to the next section of the switchback. After that, there is about another 2 more ice patches before reaching the last part of the switchback which is also snow/ice but it will lead towards the crest trail. The great part was you can follow the footprints which act as steps so it made it easier than the chute. It took my about 2 hours from trail camp to the JMT/Summit junction to head up to Mt Whitney summit.


I got to the summit around 8:20AM with another backpacker coming from the JMT. We chatted at the summit and took some photos. I headed back down the summit trail and decided to take the chute back.

I will say this, MICROSPIKES AND TREKKING POLES WERE SKETCHY. I had to traverse on the less steep side of the chute about 100 yards, over the giant toboggan slide that everyone glissaded down and went towards the middle rock section next to the actual chute. I find this more convenient since I was more comfortable going down from there. Once I got to the bottom of the middle rock section of the chute, I went ahead and glissaded down the the rest of the chute with one trekking pole in my pack. I collapsed my other trekking pole and used it to somewhat control my speed since it was very slushy by then.

Got to trail camp around 1:30pm and slept until midnight where I decided to do some astrophotography at consultation lake. The next morning I packed my gear and left for the portal around 8am. On the way, I informed day hikers and those planning to camp at trail camp of taking the 99 switchbacks and taking the chute back. As I mentioned, Microspikes and trekking poles are doable but if you have an ice axe, probably better.

THE BEST TIME TO BE CLIMBING PAST TRAIL CAMP IS ANYTIME BEFORE 8AM. It gets slushy pretty early so leave trail camp just before 5am if you can or if starting from portal, leave no longer than 1AM.

I have climbed the summit before but this was my first time testing out micro spikes and no ice axe. I wanted to see how well I did in these conditions but I am thankful that I made it down safely.

Posted By: drumster Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/06/17 08:57 PM
hello Everyone..

Probably a dumb question I need to ask...seeing the current conditions, is it recommended to wear a ski pant or just the hiking pants with some insulation underneath ?. would it be warm when we start early morning around 3:30 AM from the portal.. I will be attempting this Sunday.
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/06/17 10:35 PM
drumster: ski pants will likely be too warm. At most, I would carry zip-off pants and a pair of thermal long underwear.

Check the weather predictions from NOAA -- links on the Mt Whitney Weather page (in the box above on the left). Currently for Sunday near the summit, low is 45, high 66. Chance of T-storms, so carry something to stay dry just in case.
Posted By: LagunaKaren Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/07/17 02:44 AM
Loving all the updates and am continuing to ask the switchbacks vs chute question. Particularly going up. My partner and I climb on the 10th. definitely understand we want to be heading up past Trail Camp around 5am.

I ask because it seems the switchbacks may be transitioning from unusable to more likely usable than they were last week.

Appreciate all the posts. Have been reading nonstop and will continue to do so until we leave for the mountain ourselves on Saturday.


My son and I hike on the 10th as well. We'll be hiking up on the 10th and camping at Trail Camp. Worried about marmots though. See you on the trail!!
Posted By: drumster Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/07/17 02:35 PM
That is helpful... thanks !
Posted By: drumster Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/07/17 03:39 PM
Hello Everyone,

Has anyone faced a condition where they went to pick up some rental gear at the shops in lone pine and they ran out of stock for the rentals? I know that would leave me with no other option but to buy stuff since I could not find a way to reserve them online.

Also, would microspikes suffice or crampons is recommended for the coming weekend ? I will be taking the switchbacks and never hiked on snow before so I want to make sure I know what I am doing with either of the gear properly.
Posted By: iopk Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/07/17 04:27 PM
Hey Steve, I'm probably just going to go in my patagonia simul pants and shorts underneath. I'll bring long johns too just in case.

As for shoes, I'm thinking about bringing trail runners for the non snow portion of the hike, and my mountaineering boots for the chute.

Or should I just go mountaineering boot all the way?

Thanks!
Posted By: jstew2691 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/07/17 05:04 PM
Looking forward to hearing all reports from this weekend's hikes. I have a day permit for next Friday the 14th. I have ample snow experience but no longer have crampons/microspikes in my arsenal. I don't want to purchase/rent if I don't have to. Do you all think sketchy portions of switchbacks will be open by next week, or should I make a quick Amazon purchase?

Happy Climbing Y'all!
I'll be up there Monday-Tuesday. My son (16), his friend (also 16), and I (clearly not 16) have quite a bit of hiking experience, but no snow experience. I have borrowed some microspikes but hope not to need them. Our plan is switchbacks up and down. We have no ice axe. Anyways, I'll report Wednesday on our experience. I hope we can summit!!
Posted By: jstew2691 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/07/17 08:21 PM
Originally Posted By: highsierramike
I'll be up there Monday-Tuesday. My son (16), his friend (also 16), and I (clearly not 16) have quite a bit of hiking experience, but no snow experience. I have borrowed some microspikes but hope not to need them. Our plan is switchbacks up and down. We have no ice axe. Anyways, I'll report Wednesday on our experience. I hope we can summit!!


@highsierramike- I too will be climbing with my 16 year old son. Sending you grand amounts of good climbing juju. Looking forward to your report.

JStew2691
I just got back from a day hike - conditions are getting very good. I went till just short of Trail Crest. Here are answers to the top questions these days-
1. Take the old Whitney trail to avoid the water crossing at the north fork of Lone Pine creek. If you don't know how to get to it - take a look -
[img]https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/lSJBIPSLCBOVwZl7Gdl37JdGfwVAS7VFSW5NBjXiOur[/img]


2. The logs are back - so now the only place where you have to cross water is the meadow area between Lone Pine lake and Mirror Lake. Note - I did not carry water shoes for what must be 20m of water... I just took my shoes and socks off. Yes the water is ice cold, but is it worth carrying an extra pair of shoes just for that? You decide. On my way back, when I had more time to study the water stream, I made a run for it by stepping on some stones that prevented my shoes from sinking too deep... - if your boots are water proof like mine are, only the top of your socks will get wet - my toes never got wet... next time I won't bother taking my shoes off either cool Here's a map of where the water crossing is in case you love to plan:
[img]https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/ct0049GICAYsr9nZBKeFk9mZqhKnzUJklRTIM3Z8tjr[/img]


3. One note on temperature - its very pleasant. I started at 6am, and it was 66F. It never got cooler than that... atleast not till Trail Crest. It does get quite warm but never got hot.

4. Some recent posts said the snow starts right after Mirror Lake. These things are changing daily... be sure to get the latest. As of today afternoon, you can hike all the way till Trail Camp without getting into snow with ONE small exception. There is one very small section of about 50m where you have to cross horizontally across a pretty steep snow field. Its about as inclined as the chute is. I put on crampons and used my ice axe there but it was a bit of a time sink as you have to put them on and then take them off 5 min later. But worth it - as the snow field is pretty steep. One more point - there is an alternative snow field based climb up past Mirror Lake to Trail Camp. Note this is NOT the trail, but people just hiking on snow as its a more direct route. Its essentially snow on top of Lone Pine creek. Personally i find it easier hiking on "land" vs. snow, but lots of people are taking that (atleast today)... I just took the trail. If you want to see what the snow trail looks like-
Looking up
[img]https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/u0PUn0fJaXXedGoW2XAfewET5Kqj6Prpcu0TCHeqYlg[/img]


And looking down
[img]https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/uuGw2VLHlH8pp2yJK9J3csw12FSfEXlp3OiXZVivFGQ[/img]


5. Finally the question that's probably being asked the most- chute or switchbacks. I had gone up thinking switchbacks, but i had trouble locating them. The chute if of course very visible. So for me it was chute. I think you should definitely plan on having an ice axe and crampons. Yes there are some amazing people out there that are doing it without, but its not a risk worth taking if you have any doubt of your snow abilities. You really have no place to go if you get stuck and panic... crampons will make your feet glue to the snow. Here are some pictures looking up from Trail Camp.
[img]https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/ahTyV0olTUWV2E28MVyZId2N595pXmTZP1xJb128Z4L[/img]


A bit more detailed. You can see people on the chute.
[img]https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/m51uZnAsNoCRS7w5XLXug3t01TdYt6qui6bmN6Dub8l[/img]

One random update - I did meet a park ranger on the trail and was asked to show my permit - so they do check! like!

If I had to guess - it will take another 10-15 days for the snow to completely clear from the trail all the way to the top - this is unfortunate, as, while you can get pretty far, it is still advisable to have an ice axe and crampons for the diminishing time you will need them - the time they are needed is going down each day, but for the areas when you need them, you need them... if you're worried about weight, then my suggestion is keep the ice axe and crampons, lose the extra water shoes, and take a bit less water with the plan of filling up along the way as there is water everywhere, and think about how cold or hot you get on hikes - and take only the layers you need.

And finally - to close... [img]https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/TgaUzsRUHChdllSArr9QvYBqooabvMnEXImiC0m3THG[/img]
Posted By: LagunaKaren Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/08/17 03:24 AM
So very helpful Love_Himalayas. Every word duly noted. I take it you took the chute down as well. Any observations to note there other than to have the ice axe?
Posted By: Climber03 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/08/17 06:34 AM
July 4-5 trip report:

Backpacked in to Outpost camp on the fourth. Summitted on July 5 and returned to the Portal.

Taking the old trail at the start (thanks to Tdtz’s post on 6/26/11) was excellent and avoided the roaring North Fork of Lone Pine Creek—this trail is easily accessed at the highest point of the road.

The only place where you can’t avoid water are at the meadows below Outpost camp

—it was ankle deep and about 30-40 feet of cold water—you could go bare foot if you wish to save the weight. The creek crossing just below Outpost Camp was crossable with either a minor wade or just barely on rocks and a log, the crossing just above Outpost camp had about 1 inch of water over one of the rocks.

The snow field starts about at 11200 feet, after you have climbed up the rocky ridge south of Mirror Lake and traversed west about a quarter of a mile into the Lone Pine Creek valley, which is now completely filled with snow. At this point, we put on our Hillsound trail crampons/microspikes and there were two paths: we stayed on the original trail itself which followed the right side of the snow field before ascending into the rocks to the north side; eventually there was a 50 yard snowy traverse, before traveling up to Trail Camp. The other well-beaten path in the snow stays on the south side of the valley and travels up the gulley of Consultation Lakes outflow creek before leading on to Trail Camp. The latter trail was much easier to come down on as you could slide on the snow, but spikes/crampons would really be needed to realistically climb it.

The chute was impressive

link: https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/eIvct3gIhGEhA8nQhHBWk0J9z99crR2OlzhLvxcj915
we ended up heading over onto the rocks along the south side of it, which we then climbed. At the top of these rocks, we had about 120 yards of snow to ascend and traverse over to Trail Crest, which we reached around 9am. The snow conditions were reasonable with only mild slush at this time. Multiple people just headed slowly up the chute, but crampons really are much more effective for snow climbing vs microspikes. There is also a skinny island of rocks that travels up the middle of the chute which some people were also climbing, leaving them with a final 50 yards of fairly steep snow to ascend to get to Trail Crest

For safety, ice axes should be used, despite other posts.

From Trail Crest to the summit is draining but uneventful, until the intermittent snow/hail began on the summit around 1PM. By the time that we returned to Trail Crest and decided to take the switchbacks down, the snow/hail was intermittently heavy. There is a 75 yard steep snow field to cross with a trodden path to negotiate just south of Trail Crest—not difficult but slipping would send you speedily down a thousand feet of the chute unless you can arrest yourself
[img:left]https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/hV5f4Tt7aw9QbT6aIPubl2Mfp0L0zpCKR1eYx0AAt7Q[/img].




The upper switchbacks themselves are mostly clear of snow, except for the more northern ends of the higher switchbacks and one more 80 foot snow field traverse midway down to the cables at about 13200 ft of altitude. Snow reaches all the way up to the cables; to actually access this “end” of the switchbacks, you have to do a 12 foot scramble up one of posts and rocks avoiding a small waterfall coming down this area (when we were there at 4pm). From this point you can glissade down, traverse over, then glissade down almost to Trail Camp. With a bit of scrambling in dirt/mud/rocks, one could probably avoid the snow on the switchbacks above the cables, but this requires cutting the trail, which is not an ideal way of preserving the area for others to enjoy.

Lightning, thunder, and intermittent snow/hail continued until we had returned nearly to Outpost camp (taking the southern snow trail out of Trail Camp). Packing up our somewhat soggy equipment, we hiked back to the Portal to conclude our hike.

So, in summary, you do need some sort of microspike/trail crampon/crampon (unless one has an amazing way of walking up slippery snow slopes; crampons would be the best) and be comfortable climbing up fairly steep snow and glissading down with the ability to slow oneself, an ice axe for safety, and expect to wade before Outpost camp.
Posted By: Flatlander Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/08/17 12:50 PM
My son (25) and I (58) have a multi-day permit for July 25th. We are hikers, but not snow experienced and this is our first attempt at Mt. Whitney. We have microspikes, but have never used them. Have read some of the recent reports and does anyone have experience to know if the switchbacks will be open? Also, I don't read much about it, but are there any cliff exposures to be worried about other than where the cables are?
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/08/17 07:08 PM
Flatlander, there will still be some stretches of snow in two weeks. But more and more people will be tramping a pretty good path in the trail. You will probably be ok with your microspikes, but continue reading the reports.

People are still saying crampons are better than the microspikes.

The cables area is the worst place with the steepest slope exposure.
Hello everyone,
My husband and I successfully made it to the top on July 6 in one-day hike.

I will focus on the conditions of the trail. From the portal to the Trailside Meadows the route is fine. No worries about that part-just enjoy the beauty!

There would be snow on the trail up to Trail Camp. Crampons or micro spikes are necessary there since the snow is slushy and abundant. We planned to use the switchbacks vs. the chute. However, when we approached the chute, the access to the switchbacks was not visible. We decided to do the chute. While climbing it, we saw the cables and climbed up through the snow to the cables to use the switchbacks. The slope to the cables is steep but short, so it is manageable. We got on the switchbacks (you need to scramble up a rock to get to the switchbacks, but it is ok). We walked for 20 min on a dry switchback trail. Then we lost the trail because of a big patch of snow, so we scrambled up some rocks trying to find the trail again. From the rocks where we were standing (still could not see the trail on switchbacks), the only way to find the switchbacks was to walk through a steep field of snow. Since we had micro spikes and hiking poles, and it was dangerous to cross a steep field of slushy snow for us. So, we scrambled up on more rocks, and then walked through the snow to the steepest part of the chute and finished the climb by the chute to the Trail Crest.

We used the chute to descend. Honesty. I want to advice you all to use crampons and an ice ax for ascend and descend on the chute because the snow is slushy and the slope is very steep, and micro spikes of are no good in those conditions. For example, I was wearing micro spikes, and on the way down, the chute the slushy snow gave way and I slid a great distance, but managed to stop the slide with lots of effort. There are rocks on the chute, and it could be a dangerous slide. Crampons and an axe would have helped. If you are willing to glissade, review the techniques and, please, do not wear crampons and have an ice ax.

PS. I actually cried upon reaching the summit - my reaction to the majestic beauty of the mountains and to the sense of accomplishment.
My husband and I did not feel effects of high altitude. It depends on a person, so we were just lucky.

Happy trails, everyone!


Posted By: mbb Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/08/17 09:40 PM
Do you need to purify the water and if you do how do you purify it? We are hiking 7/25
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/08/17 10:11 PM
Originally Posted By: mbb
Do you need to purify the water and if you do how do you purify it? We are hiking 7/25

I never treat or filter. I've dipped from all the streams. Only at Trail Camp, I go to the inlet to the pond for my water.
Posted By: jstew2691 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/09/17 11:19 PM
I have a question in regards to parking at the portal. Leaving Carlsbad late Thursday afternoon to start a 1am Friday (1 day) ascent. Will arrive at the portal around 11pm. Will finding a parking spot be a challenge or are there open spots? If I don't find a spot, what are my options?

Thanks y'all for any wise advice!
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/10/17 03:39 AM
Originally Posted By: jstew2691
I have a question in regards to parking at the portal. Leaving Carlsbad late Thursday afternoon to start a 1am Friday (1 day) ascent. Will arrive at the portal around 11pm. Will finding a parking spot be a challenge or are there open spots? If I don't find a spot, what are my options?

I hope you have arranged to pick up your permit in the night-pickup box in Lone Pine.

There should be spaces -- maybe right at the trail head, since some people will be coming off the trail late and opening spots. If that's not true, there is the overflow lot just below the trail head. If all are full, (I believe) you can park along the road wherever there is space.
Posted By: Zamora Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/10/17 01:28 PM
My wife and I made it to Trail Crest yesterday (July 9). We took the switchbacks up and down, at least everywhere they are not covered with snow. Would have made it to the Summit, but my legs were cramping my up and I had a big headache (should have prepared better with better fitness and acclimatization). My wife could have easily continued to the summit, but chose to stay with me.

The trail through the cables is passable, but some people will not feel comfortable, and we met one man who turned around because he felt it wasn't safe. My wife and I and 2 others made it without too much trouble, but it is something that I feel should be decided individually... in person. There are also a couple of other snowfields that cover the trail, but in all cases these can be bypassed by scrambling around them, if you don't want to cross them. My wife and I crossed them, but near Trail Crest we bypassed the snow and went straight up to the ridge.

Other things to note... water crossings are a bit of a time sink... we removed our shoes 4 times each way. There is still a lot of snow, and even though we found the switchbacks, it was after hiking on snow for probably about one mile (felt like more). It was pretty warm on the trail and I didn't use the pants and jacket that I brought, but my wife used hers and was glad to have them. We used microspikes and trekking poles and those seemed suitable for our route choices. Oh, and there are a few spots where bugs are an issue, so I recommend bringing repellent. My wife got bit about 10 times - through her shirt and her pants !!

I took pictures and I can post them later today when I get home if people are interested.

We had an amazing day and I am so glad that we came! The scenery along the trail is just stunning, and we saw deer, marmots, pikas, and even a sage hen and her chicks.

Be safe up there. I like what it says at the Portal, something to the effect of... It's more important to return home safely than to make it to the summit.
Posted By: Ruslvmusl Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/10/17 05:22 PM
Originally Posted By: Zamora
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I took pictures and I can post them later today when I get home if people are interested.


YES, please post pictures! Our success will start 7/22 and end 7/23! smile
Posted By: Ruslvmusl Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/10/17 05:24 PM
not optimistic to sleep at Whitney Portal night before our climb, any other HIGH elevation (=>8kFT) camp sites near by that dont require a permit?
Posted By: JMH Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/10/17 05:44 PM
Rus-

Google search horseshoe meadows recreation area which is around 10,000 ft. and can be reached by turning off the same road that heads from lone pine to Whitney.

A second choice at 11,600 feet is the "locked gate" where the white mountain trail starts. The disadvantage here is that it is up by Bishop and it is a longish drive on an older ruff dirt road.

Those are the 2 best that i have found. I'm interested to see if anyone has any better ones.





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Posted By: HE_i Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/10/17 07:05 PM
Hello all. I've been quietly watching this thread like a hawk and reading it like my life depends on it. Sorry if I haven't post anything.

this will be our groups second attempt (first one last Oct and the strong wind stopped us reaching the Mirror Lake). Our schedule is like this:
7/14/17: Arrive at Whitney Portal Parking Lot to sleep after checking Alabama Hills.

7/15/17: From Whitney Portal to Trail Camp (will spend most of our time at that elevation to get acclimated and check out the rest of the area)

7/16/17: Actual Summit day (leaving the camp around 4 am) and will head back down to our car after.

We are prepared with crampons, ice ax and helmet and other backpacking gear (thanks to all your tip, it help us minimize the weight and be prepared mentally)

now my major concern is, I'm afraid the history will repeat itself again...the weather this Sat and actual summit day turns sour, rain showers and risk thunder storm :-(

Our group is now consist of two people. What should I do?
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/10/17 07:39 PM
Originally Posted By: Ruslvmusl
not optimistic to sleep at Whitney Portal night before our climb, any other HIGH elevation (=>8kFT) camp sites near by that dont require a permit?

Rus: see this:

Backpacker and Walk-in camp sites and locations at Whitney Portal: Sleeping in your car at Whitney Portal
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/10/17 07:44 PM
Originally Posted By: HE_i
...
now my major concern is, I'm afraid the history will repeat itself again...the weather this Sat and actual summit day turns sour, rain showers and risk thunder storm :-(

Our group is now consist of two people. What should I do?

Weather for Sunday 7/16 is currently: "A 20 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms."

In the summer "monsoon" style weather, the T-storms usually come in the afternoon. If you get to the summit early, as it appears you are planning, you can be back to your camp almost by noon. If the chance stays at 20%, just carry rain gear, and get off the crest before they hit.
Posted By: HE_i Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/10/17 08:03 PM
THANK YOU VERY MUCH! That is really helpful...I really, really appreciated your response.
a friend and I climbed on sat july 8th
for gear needed, I would recomend
1. crampons or spikes (microspikes), the snow sections are very long and there are many, you will use them.
2. axe
3. water shoes, there are many, and I mean many water crossings that will go above your ankles, even up to your knees
4. a good flashlight to see farther just in case it takes longer to descend
5. water proof pants for glassing down the chutes or any other steep part with snow.

so we started at 4am, temperatures were nice, didnt really need a jacket until we got to the top of the chutes, it got a little windy there for a bit, which made me pull out my windbreaker.
there is a stream in the first few miles which will be knee high, we had read about it, so we had water shoes, there were plenty more sections where the water shoes came in handy.
I dont know all the sections names but all I can say is that at about mile 4 or 5, we were walking mostly on snow up to the chutes or the switchbacks sections. walking on the snow so long with crampons made our shoes wet, and socks too. A few pairs of socks are recommended to change from wet to dry.
this was our first time up whitney, so we were pretty much looking up and following the herd.
when we came up to either climbing the chute or doing the switchbacks, we heard the chute was the way to go, and so we went.
for me it was a 2hr battle up the chute, my bud took 2.5 hrs up it.
it was not easy, but we made it. the crampons came in very helpful here.
we saw many people slidding down the hill in this sections.
to make it short, we made it up, and on the way down we got a bit lost, so it took us longer to get down
it got dark and we had a bit of trouble finding the trail back.
we didnt glassade down any of the snow sections because we didnt have water proof pants and didnt want to get wet so it took us a bit longer to get down. For us it was a very long and strenuous day, but we made it.
Posted By: HE_i Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/10/17 10:21 PM
Thanks leondelmonte for the detailed info. Me and my friend too will be our first time this weekend. We prepared for it mentally and physically by doing multiple hikes in different condition at Sierras and Yosemite.

Your tips helps a lot!
I forgot to mention, I didnt pay attention, and went to the portal expecting to see a ranger station to pick up my permits, and WRONG!!

the place where you pick up the permits is in LONE PINE, on the 395, at the visitor's center.
I had to drive back to town to get them, also gave me an excuse to pick up more beer.
Posted By: HE_i Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/10/17 11:48 PM
HA! and you thought there's a drive thru for permit :-D hahahaha. Thanks again for the tip.
Posted By: mbb Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/11/17 01:27 AM
How far up the trail is the water where you refill?
Posted By: IdEaMaNi Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/11/17 01:46 AM
Hi everyone!!

Here is my report from July 8th summit.

We started our climb on 7th morning from the portal at around 4.45 AM and reached the trail camp at around 1 PM. We took our time and took a few breaks at Lone pine and outpost camp. There were only two major water crossings one at the beginning of the hike within like a 1 mile from the portal and the second is at the meadows. While on our way up, we were able to cross them without getting wet as there were enough rocks popping up to step on. This was however not the case on our way down as the water levels had risen quite a bit and required wading through water but again it wasn't bad at all. Once we set up our camp and retired for the day, it started hailing and there was thunder and lightning. It was really scary but luckily it cleared by in an hour's time.

We planned to start out ascent up at 1 AM the next day but ended up starting only at around 5 (alarm malfunction! :/) and we initially decided to go up the chute as we didn't see many people go up the switch backs although a few from the previous day summit said they did. The initial climb on the chute was fairly easy in terms of the steepness. At one point we noticed the cables on the left but the path to it was pretty steep. I would say it was more like 60-70 degree incline. With crampons and ice axe we managed to climb up the slope which was probably not more than 25-35 ft. Once we reached the cables, we basically jumped over the cables to get to the switch backs. the rest of the switch backs were completely clear. We had to scramble up a few rocks at two spots in the switchbacks to get on the trail and there was one spot before the trail crest where you have walk across 20ft or so on snow that was again a steep incline. It had a lot of foot marks and so was not too hard or scary. Just use caution and put your crampons on. The snow started to get slushy right around 8-8.30 AM.

Once at the trail crest the trail was super clear and it is purely the altitude and climb. It slowed us a down a little but we finally managed to summit at around 11 AM. It took us solid 6 hours from the camp to the summit. After spending a few minutes up there, we made our way down to the trail crest. Going down the switch backs was out of question due to the initial slope we had climbed. So we decided to glissade down the chute. We had never done it before and the slope was pretty damn steep. There were a couple before us who said they have done it a few times and so we decided to follow them. We walked down the chute to the middle and clear of the rock section. (As many had mentioned, there is a big rock scramble right in the middle of the chute). Walking down the chute was a nightmare with the slushy snow. I had to dig deep with my heal and cement myself strong with every step. It was scary. Finally we got the tubeline and decided to glissade down that. That was probably the WORST idea ever. DONT USE THE TUBELINE TO GLISSADE. It is completely shaven and rocks are popping up at many locations. In fact a week from now if the weather holds like it did , most of the switch backs will probably be open. I lost control in the tube line trying to glissade and lost my axe one ( thank god to the harness I had). Finally down by around 2.30 PM , we took a long break and started back down to the portal at around 5 PM and were down by 8.30. The walk down was not hard at all.

Summary
1) Use your decision on taking the chute or switch backs based on the conditions on the day of your hike.
2) If chute is still usable, never use the TUBELINE to glissade. Find some fresh space to do so, since the snow is slushy it provides a much better control and helps arrest especially if you are novice like me.
3) There is plenty of water on the trail and so you can filter and use water all the way upto the trail camp.
4) Carry crampons and ice axe if you are hiking within the next couple weeks. We saw a lot of people who didnt summit because they weren't prepared with the gear. Worst case you carry it up and bring it back down without using it. It is good to have them.

Good luck everyone trying to summit! It is definitely worth the exhaustion and effort!! Thanks to all the earlier reports, it helped us a lot to prepare for the hike.

P.S I didn't have a camera on me but my friend did. I will post the pictures when I get them.
Posted By: M&M Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/11/17 05:09 AM
Hi all!

I want to thank everyone who posted here--without your information, I don't think we could have made it. You have provided more and if not better information than the rangers! I want to give back by posting our experience.

We did a two day hike. Day one we started at 8am, reached Consultation Lake Camp by 3pm. We took many breaks due to the high heat (I would def go earlier to avoid the heat), the sun was blazing! We spotted a lovely deer strolling on the trail, too, and she was standing super close to us. There were several water crossings.

We had to change to trail runners for two of them--I'm 5'2" and the first big water crossing was up to my knees, due to the snow melt from the heat. The next big water crossing was to my mid calf. the mosquitoes were hungry!! Be very careful and use bug spray! I am still recovering from them, they bit me through my long sleeve shirt and long pants. on the way up, we talked to many hikers who were coming down the trail. About 70% of them turned around at the chute and about 30% made to the top. Out of the 30% who made it, most of them used the chute. There was a group of men who used the switchbacks and they seemed very happy.

Once reached camp, my fiance and I practiced self arrest and glissading at the snow patches. At night, the sky was very cloudy, but the camp site was gorgeous. We camped by the water and there was one lonely frog who sang so loudly the entire night. Sadly we couldn't see the stars due to the clouds. It rained a lot during the night and the strong wind shook our tent violently. We were worried about the next day's climb.

Woke up at 4 am to check weather again, the sky was clearing up so we decided to go. a group of 6 of us, we all had ice axes and crampons, left camp at 4:45am. Once we were on the trail, we decided to take the chute up. None of us were experienced with ice axes nor crampons. Needless to say, we were all very cautious and careful. I made sure that I kicked each step at least twice with my crampons and really jammed my ice axe in the snow before taking each step. Toward the end, it gets very very steep, do not look down! Take your time! there were 6 people next to our group that were only on their micro-spikes and hiking sticks, and they made the chute; I was amazed by them. From what I saw, the switchbacks were covered by snow but the mid and upper part were snow free. There was a group of 6 girls took the switchbacks up and down and they did just fine.

Once the chute was over, I got a hiker's high! I was going fast toward the summit. But oh boy, that was the longest 2 miles in my life! but the view was breathtaking. I wish my camera did its justice. Some of our team members started to feel the altitude so they slowed down, which was very smart of them--I saw a guy suffering from major altitude sickness at the top frown Going slowly and take your time in high altitude is key. We only spent 5 minutes at the summit because the clouds were rolling in. Soon, it started to snow, so we started to descend. We got lost at first when descending, so we spent quite some time scrambling on rocks and traversing (Thanks, Olancha peak for the training). Finally we got on the main trail and reached back at the Trail Crest.

Glissading scared the air out of me at first, because I have never done it. The girl went before us cried and was yelling due to being scared and that made me want to take the switchbacks instead. But eventually I made myself do it. There was a 6 or 7 feet drop before the chute starts so grab on your ice axe when jumping if you are short like me. Once started I went really really slowly. I really dug my ice axe in! There was two rocks on the way, make sure you stop yourself and go to their right. Although super slowly, I did glissade all the way to the bottom. I was freezing because so much snow got into my shirt and pants, and my body was shaking. There was no sun so it was very cold, as well. We hurried back to the tent and it took me a while to warm back up. Almost at 4pm, we started descending, no shoe changing this time and finally reached our car by 7:45pm.

That was definitely one rewarding hike! We have done many hikes in the sierras but none was like Mt Whitney that left me feeling so grateful. Hope this post can help a little bit.

Happy trails, everyone! laugh
Posted By: Neil B Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/11/17 06:21 AM
Anyone going to be up during the week this week?
I will be up 7/11-7/13. Planning on camping at trail camp and trying to summit Thursday AM if weather allows.
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/11/17 07:24 AM
Pictures from Erik Ringnes' trip report
He shared his photo album: https://goo.gl/photos/p6oX73XwfE1ks7k68
This is the first major stream crossing. In the morning it can be crossed on the rocks. Afternoon, flows are much higher, rocks are submerged.

People can skip this crossing by taking the Old Trail. It joins this trail just 20 paces from the last hiker in this picture.



Here is Erik's picture of the over-used glissade trench / half-pipe / super-chute / bobsled route. People have been injured using this, lost ice axes, there are rocks exposed along the way. Don't use it unless you know how to keep your speed TO A MINIMUM using an ice axe. Make or Take a new slide course!!!
Posted By: Benc Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/11/17 08:09 PM
On the 14th do you think microspikes and trekking poles will be adequate to safely ascend and descend the switchbacks?
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/11/17 08:32 PM
Originally Posted By: Benc
On the 14th do you think microspikes and trekking poles will be adequate to safely ascend and descend the switchbacks?

Read the trip reports from others here and in the Trip Reports forum. It all depends on how comfortable you are on steep snow slopes with microspikes.
Posted By: csquared Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/11/17 10:56 PM
Permit date: July 8-9, 2017
Temperature throughout hike: High of 70s, low of 50s
Starting pack weight: 45 lbs
Campsite: Trail Camp
Time of departure from Whitney Portal: 4:05am
Time of arrival to Trail Camp: 11:20am
Time of departure from Trail Camp: 4:35am
Time of arrival to Trail Crest via the chute: 7:50am
Time of arrival to the summit: 11:10am
Time when arrived back to Trail Camp to pack up: 3pm
Time of departure from Trail Camp to Whitney Portal: 4pm
Time of arrival to Whitney Portal: 8:50pm

We started off at Whitney Portal (where we camped the night before) at about 4am. The first part of the hike just includes a whole lot of switchbacks. There are maybe about 8 river/water crossings, but the second one is the hardest (maybe about 1/3 of a mile from Whitney Portal). The water is freezing, you will get wet, and the current can be a bit strong. Use your trekking poles!

Side note: I've always just walked into the water with my boots and socks on, and have never gotten a blister from wet feet. This is my 5th 20+ mile hike with wet shoes/socks and I've never gotten blisters, it'll just feel cold and a little squishy for a bit.

The majority of the hike is pretty straight forward. Clearly marked signs. The incline was pretty gradual. Many parts are quite rocky, so make sure you have good hiking shoes on (preferable with ankle support). Right before you reach Trail Camp, you will need to cross a few snow fields. We were totally find with just our trekking poles and boots (no crampons or micro-spikes needed here).

Trail Camp isn't as bad as what everyone says. We were there on a weekend, and we weren't really bothered with the noise. We found two great campsites right next to each other for our group. Sadly it is true that there were wag bags left everywhere, so it did smell a little in certain places. But there's a great water source there!

We decided to climb up the chute the next morning instead of taking the switchbacks because most of the lower part of the switchbacks were still covered in snow. So you had to climb up part of the chute anyway. Plus, it took some people about 6-7 hours to get up on the chute.. no thanks! However, if you decide to go up the chute, ice axes and crampons are a MUST. You can easily rent them in town for pretty cheap, but you MUST HAVE THEM. I also recommend to start as early as you can - like 2am or 3am because the later you wait, the slushier the snow will get from the warmth and it will be much more difficult going up the steep parts (max incline of 39 degrees).

Once you get to the top of the chute, it's the most amazing feeling ever. That was probably the hardest part of the hike! But it ain't over yet! It's another 1.9 miles to the summit, and it's probably the hardest/longest 1.9 miles of my life. The trail just kept going and we were definitely feeling the altitude here. We barely spent 10 minutes up top and had to descend immediately because it was starting to sleet and we just felt sick.

We also took the chute down, which was super scary, but also really exciting and fun. It only took us maybe 20 minutes to get down? Seriously, make sure you know how to glissade down with an ice axe.

Helpful tips:
- Arrive a day early and DRIVE to Horseshoe Meadows (about 30 miles/~1 hour drive from Whitney Portal) to acclimate. The elevation there is 10,000'. You can hike around there too.
- Bring mosquito spray! They were everywhere and you cannot escape them.
- Bring a rain jacket/outer shell. The weather truly is unpredictable up in the mountains.
- When setting up camp, if you decide to leave your belongings on summit day, make sure you leave your tent opened! Marmots and chipmunks will chew through anything if they smell food. However, if you leave your tent unzipped, they will just come in, sniff around, realize that there's nothing there for them and will leave your stuff alone.
- Bring an extra WAG bag or two - yes, you will need to pack your poop out. Or just take Imodium!
- Make sure you hydrate and eat constantly! Bring ibuprofen. Energy/caffeine chews or Bloks were super helpful.
Posted By: Climber03 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/12/17 01:02 AM
Water below Outpost camp on 7/4/17:
Latest trail conditions?!?!

I'm attempting the hike on 7/21/2017 and would definitely appreciate word on the trail conditions as I'd rather NOT have to worry about crampons and an ice axe if I can avoid it.

Appreciation in advance!

- Greg
Posted By: Gma Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/12/17 04:00 AM
Hello everyone, I checked this forum multiple times a day before I went up and was so grateful for the updates. Because conditions were changing quickly I had no expections of summitimg I just planned on enjoying a beautiful day hiking. I have summitted twice before but conditions were clear. I had only used micro spikes once before this trip, but am a very prepared and sturdy hiker.

This is alittle breakdown of my hike, Friday night camped at Whitney portal
Saturday picked up permit for Sunday, then hung around portal until 6:00 PM,
Then hiked a bit passed Lone Pine lake before permit area where I slept until 3:00 a.m.
I hit the trail by 3:15 a.m. Water was high at outpost camp so I decided to change to sandals which I'm grateful I did. I hiked in them through many water crossing that would have had my feet drenched.

I put boots back on right before snow to trail camp. The trail was not easy to follow in all sections and a few times me and a few others got a bit confused. I used micro spikes and poles and felt confident. By the time I had reached trail camp i had met a few people along the way. We all kind of passed off and on the trail, encouraging each other. I continued on past Trail Camp up towards the chute. I did not feel comfortable trying to get to cables on switchbacks so went up the chute. (Tough but so amazing) I want to add that climbing out of the snow up the rock to trail crest was NOT EASY. 1.9 miles to summit always is harsh but totally worth it.

Arrived on top at 11:20 a.m. And it's was snowing. Started down at 12:00 p.m. I chose to glissade down and just as climbing out of snow to rock was hard, getting back down to it was even worse. Glissading was scary at first but after I got the hang of how to do it I had a great time. I used micro spikes and my poles(shortened all the way). I chose to leave my boots on for water crossings the whole way down. I was back at portal around 5:30p.m. (I took old trail both up and down)I'm a strong believer in taking your time to look around and slow and steady wins the race. I had an amazing day and met some truly wonderful humans along the way.
Posted By: Ruslvmusl Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/12/17 06:53 PM
Originally Posted By: csquared

We decided to climb up the chute the next morning instead of taking the switchbacks because most of the lower part of the switchbacks were still covered in snow. So you had to climb up part of the chute anyway. Plus, it took some people about 6-7 hours to get up on the chute.. no thanks!



did you mean to say switchbacks?
Posted By: Ruslvmusl Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/12/17 07:05 PM
Originally Posted By: Gma
I hit the trail by 3:15 a.m. Water was high at outpost camp so I decided to change to sandals which I'm grateful I did. I hiked in them through many water crossing that would have had my feet drenched.

I put boots back on right before snow to trail camp.

could one just wear sandals UNTIL all water crossings are completed?
Posted By: Gma Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/12/17 07:27 PM
I Think yes it's possible to hike in sandals until the water crossings are done if they are comfortable. As I said that's pretty much what I did until my feet got really cold right before trail camp. Obviously you might get a little sand or rock in the sandle every once in a while but I really didn't have any problems. I just had a pair of Tevas on.
Successful summit, Tuesday July 11th!!! Amazing trip/experience!!!

My son and I (and his buddy) hiked (with 35 pound packs) up to Trail Camp on Monday, July 10th. We spent the night at Trail Camp and summitted on Tuesday July 11th. After summitting, we hiked back down to Trail Camp, packed up our gear, and trekked back down to the Portal.

Our Schedule:

Saturday (7/8):

Drove from Fresno to Whitney Portal. Camped at Whitney Portal campground. Checked out Portal Store.

HUUUUGE shout out to Doug at the Portal Store. Super friendly, and offered invaluable advice!!!

Sunday (7/9):

On the advice of Doug, took it easy. Took a drive up to Horseshoe Meadows (10,000 ft), and spent some time exploring the high country to acclimate to elevation.

Monday (7/10):

Hit the trail at about 8:00 am. Again, on the advice of Doug, we kept a pace of about a mile an hour. Arrived at Trail Camp at about 3:00 p.m. (This was a great pace for us. We experienced no problems with elevation and felt great (surprisingly) after arriving at Trail Camp.)

Tuesday (7/11):

Hit trail at about 8:00 a.m. Arrived at Summit at 12:30. Spent about an hour at the summit. Hiked back down to Trail Camp and ate lunch. We were planning on spending two nights at Trail Camp, but we made a last minute decision to hike back down to the Portal! We left Trail Camp at about 6:00 p.m., and arrived at the Portal at about 8:45 pm!!

Trip Details/Trail Conditions:

We did NOT use either crampons or an ice axe. However, I would NOT recommend doing the trail without Trekking Poles. There are parts of the trail that would be really difficult without them.

We took the Old Trail, which allows you to avoid a fairly substantial water crossing. It is impossible to miss if you wish to take this route. The old trail begins at the top of the driving loop between the waterfall and huge boulder. It is also impossible to miss where the old train connects with the main trail going this way. I talked to people that took the new trail up, and they had no problems crossing. But, when we got down (at 9:00 p.m), the water level was really high. They ended up following us down the old trail.

The trail up to Outpost Camp is in great condition. There is really only one part of the trail that is flooded. This is right before Outpost Camp. My son was able to get by without getting wet. I just took my shoes off and walked through. It’s only about 100 ft. or so.
The trail from Outpost to Trail Camp is also in great condition. There are a few places where you have to trek through snow, but it is a relatively easy walk. The snow is pretty well compacted from all the hikers and the route is easy to follow.

The hike from Trail Camp to Trail Crest is without a doubt the most challenging part of the hike. We opted for the switchbacks. (This was recommended by Doug at the Portal Store and a Ranger at Trail Camp. Coincidentally, there was a group that went up the chute. We literally arrived at Trail Crest at the exact same time. Going up the chute seemed to require more energy.) There are about 4 portions of the switchbacks that are covered in snow. It is easy to see where the trail goes. I would have worn crampons here if I had them, but did not feel uneasy going without them. However, I would not have been too comfortable going without trekking poles. You do have to trek up some snow to get from Trail Camp to the switchbacks. You will see snow tracks leading up to them. Follow the tracks, and you will hit the switchbacks.

Trail Crest to summit was an awesome hike. Take it slow, and you’ll make it. The last bit of the trail (right before summit) is covered in snow. There is an “alternate” path that hikers are taking. Also pretty easy to follow, and the trail is marked.

Overall, it was an amazing experience. We met a ton of great people (David from Tennessee, the Reedley College crew, and others….) on the trail. Take your time and be safe!!!

I’ll post a few photos soon.

Stevec edit: Moved this post the the Current Conditions thread. Posting pictures: See the picture gallery for instructions.
Posted By: drdrew Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/13/17 09:27 PM
Thanks for the post HighSierraMike! Can you tell me, at the top of the switch backs, are the cables still under snow?
Looking for an update on the Mountaineer's Route. Permit is July 21-23.
Originally Posted By: drdrew
Thanks for the post HighSierraMike! Can you tell me, at the top of the switch backs, are the cables still under snow?

Yes. At least mostly. There is a snow bridge of sorts you have to cross. That is the one place I would have used crampons if I had them. I was going to post a photo, but couldn't figure out how to do so.
Posted By: csquared Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/14/17 12:16 AM
Yes! Sorry, it should've said 6-7 hours to go up the switchbacks. It only took us about 2-3 hours to go up the chute. Really wasn't that bad! They key is to start super early! 2 or 3am!
Posted By: HE_i Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/14/17 01:15 AM
Do I need to bring my snow gloves?
Posted By: Chetan Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/14/17 01:31 AM
highsierramike: I (and probably a lot of other folks) are interested in seeing those pictures, especially the switchbacks (how to get onto the switchbacks from Trail Camp, and the conditions around the cables area) smile

Could you please upload them to imgur.com and post a link to the album?

Here's a pointer to this forum's tips about posting images: http://www.whitneyzone.com/wz/ubbthreads.php/topics/83/Message_Posting_Tips#T11
Posted By: Trey Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/14/17 04:33 PM
My group going out on Tuesday (7/18/17) though Onion Valley, over Kearsarge, Forester, then arriving at Whitney about 5 days later.

I just got off the phone with Mary from 2 Foot Adventures. She says the snow is melting so fast the an Ice Axe is not longer necessary.

I need some feedback. Is an Ice Axe still necessary?
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/14/17 06:28 PM
Not needed for Mt Whitney trail. People are using the switchbacks now.
Okay, I think I have successfully created a link to an Imgur album with a few Whitney pics showing trail conditions as of 7/11/17:

Here is a link to the album:

Mt. Whitney Photos
If you are camping at Trail Camp, you might want snow gloves. It got pretty chilly at night. Otherwise, no one in my party needed them. It is actually pretty warm during the day.
Posted By: Chetan Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/14/17 08:18 PM
Thanks for the pictures, Mike!
Posted By: Trey Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/14/17 08:42 PM
Is there still enough snow for glissading down?
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/14/17 11:55 PM
Originally Posted By: Trey
Is there still enough snow for glissading down?
Trey, the switchbacks just became useable last week. The glissade area should still be ok for a short time. The extra-deep "half-pipe" / "super-chute" / "bobsled trough" that was most heavily used this spring has exposed rocks, so don't use it.

Originally Posted By: highsierramike
Okay, I think I have successfully created a link to an Imgur album with a few Whitney pics showing trail conditions as of 7/11/17:

Here is a link to the album:

Mt. Whitney Photos

Thanks Mike!!! Including some of the pictures here. They are exactly what people need to see so they know what current conditions are. (Click on each picture for full-size view)

This is a photo of the "snow bridge." This 15 foot or so snow bridge is the only area of the cables that is still snow covered.


A photo of the cables that lead to the "snow bridge".


Snow bridge



This is one of about three snow crossings on the switchbacks.


Switchback snow crossing right before Trail Crest.

Posted By: Neil B Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/15/17 04:38 PM
My trip 7/12-7/14
Camped at the portal on 7/11
Hiked to Trail camp on 7/12:
Still two good sized snow fields as you approach Consultation lake and trail camp. Spikes/crampons not necessary but will help. Trekking poles help.

Summit day 7/13:
We climbed the chute. Crampons/ice axe are a must. Took us 3 hours from trail camp to Trail Crest. Start early, snow gets slushy and slippery as the sun comes up. As we approached the top it was increasingly difficult. People were making it up the switchbacks. There is still snow to cross at the base of the switchbacks. Snow crossing at the cables, one decent snow crossing about half way up, and one snow crossing as you approach Trail Crest. There are also a few small scrambles to cut a few switchbacks that are under snow. Easily makable but bring spikes for the snow, you'll be glad to have them.

After climbing the chute we were exhausted and felt we took too long and didn't have time to Summit as thunder clouds had been rolling through the last two afternoons.
We took a break at the top of the chute and decided to start back down the switchbacks.
But we noticed the weather was holding up nicely and people were still making their way up to Trail Crest to summit. We turned around and headed back to the top of the Crest and on to the summit. Best change of heart ever. When the sun was out it was hot up there along the way. Got occasional wind and hail/ snow. Those last two miles are tough, but once at the top, it's all worth it! Hiked back to Trail Crest and decided against glissading the chute due to our late descent and the conditions of the snow. Looked extremely difficult to slow down. Saw at least one person almost lose control and the screams could be heard throughout the entire area. Take extreme caution in glissading. We hiked down the switchbacks ( put our crampons on for the snow crossings) and it was a breeze. We broke off the trail near the cables and did a shorter glissade down towards Trail Camp.
Stayed at Trail Camp and packed up and out the following morning after getting up at 4am to watch the sun rise. Everybody going up early this day were taking the switchbacks up.

Incredible trip and so glad we were able to summit. This was our first time up Whitney.

We had trained hard and were physically prepared. The challenges were the elevation and staying hydrated. I had difficulty sleeping at 12000'. Rest and stay hydrated. On our way down from the summit we encountered a group who had a member suffering from severe AMS. If anyone is feeling effects of AMS turn around immediately. Before this trip I had never been above 11,200' and I was concerned about AMS. I felt great and I feel camping at Trail Camp helped a lot.

Overall an amazing trip, one of the most beautiful places on earth. We can't wait to go back. Our biggest fears were having to climb the chute as we had no experience with crampons and ice axes. But we made it and had a great time.

Thanks for all the info, we followed this forum daily leading up to our trip.
Happy trails!
Posted By: Neil B Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/15/17 04:51 PM
We also took water shoes. Still a good sized water crossing right before outpost camp, ankle to shin deep. Took the old Trail at the bottom to avoid the first water crossing.
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/16/17 07:05 PM
Pictures shared July 15 on Facebook by Roger N: (Note that pictures from facebook disappear after a short time. While they're visible, click for full-size.)

Roger's text:
"we also used "OLD Whitney trail" to bypass lower water crossings"

"just above mirror lake"



"lots of talk about the switchbacks but not these snow fields. the good-it is a straight shot up,
saw people going crampons, microspikes, and no micro or crampons, we used micros on way down
"



"to get to switch backs, we did not need crampons or spikes in the AM, after you
"cross here" there is a short trail to go up to switch backs
"



"Cables July14, inside the whole time"



"1st of 2 snow crossings"



"last snow crossing then trail crest! be smart if you have crampons or spikes use them"


Posted By: parentialdo Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/17/17 09:31 PM
Conditions for July 13th -- https://youtu.be/qrdkArX_Yek

Firstly, many thanks to the valuable info my partner and I gathered from this forum. We felt prepared and confident. Thank you!

Secondly and in summary, micro spikes, trekking poles and an ice axe are absolutely useful. That extra 2 pounds of gear will keep you feeling confident and secure while you're traversing some 40 degree, slushy and slippery snowfields. Use the switchbacks. 80% clear is a fair estimate. Do not glissade. Add at least 2 to 3 hours on your hike to adjust for these conditions. Our packs weighed about 18lbs fully loaded. It included:

3 liters of water
2 pounds of macro bars and food
ice axe
trekking poles
micro spikes
gaiters
purifier
first aid/survival/hard map/gps
extra socks
light sweater
rain shell
duck bag
2 wag bags
toilet paper

Sun protection is a must. That sun bouncing off of the snow and onto your skin is gnarly. We both had hats, sunglasses and wore sunscreen and often used our face sleeves to shield us from the glare. Perhaps some light duty gloves also.

JULY 13th, 2017

0230 – Starting our hike on the Old Mt Whitney Trail
We chose this path to avoid the first water crossing. It's an easy deviation and gets you passed the crossing in the same amount of time, or sooner, as the Main Whitney Trail takes to get you to the crossing. I mapped it on my viewranger. If anyone would like the topo or gpx file, hit me up.

0350 – Arrived at Lone Pine Lake
Trail is clearly marked and easy to stay on with our headlamps. Some snow along the slopes but none on our path yet. The sunrise was spectacular. We ran into one water crossing before Out Post Camp where you were forced to get wet. It was deep to only about 4 to 6 inches but it was about 40 feet long. Wet boots or wet feet. You choose. I choose to keep them on and walk through and my partner choose to take her boots and socks off and walk through. I was happy while she instantly regretted it.

0515 – Arrived at Out Post Camp
So far so good. Starting to see more snow now that the sun is giving us light and warmth. About a mile passed the camp we ran into patches of snow on the trail. Once we got to the meadows, we donned our micro spikes and used them for traction through the icy snow and rock and found that we had to traverse across 2 snow fields. We each had trekking poles and an ice axes as part of our gear. They came in handy through this section.

0730 – Arrived at Consultation Lake/Trail Camp
We took a good 45 minute break here. We saw lots of marmots and ate and refilled our water. We both carried a 2 liter water bladder for clean water and a 1 liter Nalgene which we were using for electrolytes. We elected to purify our water. We probably saw 20 wagbags that were left behind during our whole hike. The bulk of which we spotted at this lake. Although we picked up empty water bottles, empty bags of dehydrated food, wrappers and other trash, we didn't touch the wagbags. We felt guilty that we didn't. That won't happen again. Anyhow, our break is over and now comes the hard part of the hike. The decision to use the switchbacks or hike the chute. If you have crampons (not micro spikes) and an ice axe, go for the chute if you'd like. However, I do think that the switchbacks are the way to go. 80% percent clear is a fair estimate. Although the beginning of the switchbacks are off and on, snow covered for the first 20 switches, you'll find that the rest of it except for a small section at the cables, are free of snow. Your last 50' feet is across a snow field. Once you cross it you'll be at Trail Crest. On our ascent, we headed for the chute, following the track line in the snow until we saw the cables to our left about 20 mins later and at around 12,600 feet. We turned towards them and were happy we did since our micro spikes weren't providing efficient traction on the slush. We used the switchbacks all of the way back down.

1030 – Arrived at Trail Crest
My partner is feeling her first signs of AMS. Unfortunately, do to work schedules, we didn't have time to acclimate. We arrived at Whitney Portal on July 12th at noon and started our hike 14 hours later. My partner went the Diamox route and I choose the Ibuprofin route instead. Google Diamox vs Ibuprofen at altitude for more info. We took our time through the rocky trail, being extra careful around the scree, resting a few minutes here and there until roughly 3/4's of the way up Trail Crest. We got some summit beta from a few who were descending. All of them used a cairn route to summit because of the rather large and slippery snow field that's in the way, so we did. It was pretty easy to spot the cairns. We made our way up through the rock and scree all the while watching as the hut grew closer and closer.

1220 – Arrived at Summit
We made it! Spectacular, amazing, grateful.

We started our descent some 45 minutes later. We used this time to contemplate some big decisions that were soon approaching. To glissading or not to glissade. At this point in the season, I would advise against glissading from the top of the chute. It may save you up to a couple of hours but it can seriously cost you a lot more. Use your head. Especially if you've never done it before. There's a lot of shallow snow which means you're likely to hit a rock and if you can't self-arrest or otherwise slow yourself down, the rock islands certainly will. The chute at the start is 60 degrees for the first 300 feet or so before it decreases in slope to 40 degrees for the next 800 feet. Elect to use the safer switchbacks and perhaps glissading down from the much easier slope at the cables if you feel antsy for a wet ass. Glissading from the cables may save you about 30 minutes. The decision is up to you. As I said, we used the switchbacks all of the way down. Not much to it.

1950 – Made it to the car 17 and a half hours later.

All and all, we felt we did great. Even though it took us over 17 hours, we never rushed, soaking it all in and taking loads of picture. We felt privileged to see the beauty of the Eastern Sierras. PLEASE don't leave your shit behind! We certainly left it cleaner than we found it. I hope this info helps. I'll update this post with pics later this evening. Good luck and leave no trace!!

https://youtu.be/qrdkArX_Yek

Posted By: DrKen Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/18/17 04:36 AM
Condition on July 14-15th-

Switchbacks are completely doable, just be sure to have good traction on your hiking shoes for some of the snow patches. If you're don't have the snow gear don't need to buy/bring any. Trekking poles do help with the confidence of walking on snow (and the water-crossings) though. Have fun!
Posted By: Ruslvmusl Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/18/17 05:42 PM

Thats $ucking $ick people leave that $hit.
disappointed!
Great job!
Posted By: 14ers Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/18/17 09:02 PM
Given all the recent reports of the Switchbacks being open and relatively clear... is there any need for Axes or Crampons?

I was kind of hoping to do the Chute to practice some mountaineering but if Switchbacks are open, is there any real benefit to climbing the Chute and/or Glissading down (assuming good enough sections of snow exist)?
Posted By: Bobby49 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/18/17 10:02 PM
I haven't been on the mountain very recently. However, in forty successful ascents, I never had to carry an ice axe. I think that I had one trekking pole a time or two.

Assuming that one goes up the Switchbacks or maybe has to take a few shortcuts across snow, I can't imagine the need for full crampons. OTOH, microspikes are good if you've got a thin layer of ice or hard snow. YakTrax are good if you've got softer snow.

One year we got just above the cables around Switchback #45 or so, and then the switchbacks disappeared under the snow, so we just climbed straight up the snow slope until we hit Discovery Pinnacle, which is slightly off-course.

Climbing straight up the chute is shorter, but probably not quicker. As soon as its rocks melt out, it's probably more dangerous for up or down.
Posted By: ricky90501 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/18/17 10:18 PM
A group of us got to the summit on 7/15 using only the switchbacks and we did not need crampons or ice axes. There are a couple of snow fields that you need to traverse (one about halfway up and one right before trail crest) but both have well-traveled tracks which give you pretty solid footing. Having said that, crampons could help in giving you more stability and grip on the snow, especially earlier in the morning when the snow is still solid. Trekking poles also help for balance but ice axe is not necessary.

As for glissading the chute, the snow is quickly melting and rocks are starting to become exposed. Unless you are experienced in glissading and self-arresting with an ice axe, it is not recommended.
Posted By: 14ers Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/18/17 11:13 PM
Originally Posted By: ricky90501
A group of us got to the summit on 7/15 using only the switchbacks and we did not need crampons or ice axes.


Were people using the Chute at all when you went up or just the Switchbacks? If so, Which route seemed faster at this point?
Posted By: parentialdo Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/19/17 12:16 AM
As of July 14th, there were at least 2 significant snow fields that need crossing. And they will be there for another couple of weeks. For some, both can be done butt naked while drinking a beer, for the vast majority, it will require a better sense of confidence. I understand that the 18 inch wide path carved by the thousands of boot steps, looks navigable but think about it this way.. Depending on the time of day it will either be icy or slushy. Both circumstances would benefit from some kind of traction device. If you're going to attempt these traverses without crampons, then at the very least you should have micro spikes with an ice axe or trekking poles to help balance your naive attempt at surefootedness in these conditions. However, if you slip and begin sliding down a 40 degree slope (60 degrees at the top of the chute), good luck trying to self arrest with trekking poles. This is why an ice axe is the way to go when you're dealing with a scenario that may require you to self arrest. I know I know, an ice axe is another piece of equipment to lug along and at 18 ounces, yes ounces, it's just too much to carry. But when you slip and you start sliding down a 100 foot slope (at the meadows) or 1000 foot slope (at the top of the switchbacks and down the chute), if you survived and are injury free, you now have to ascend that section all over again. And from the top of the chute, that's at least another 2 hours and more than likely will ruin your summit attempt. When you stab your ice axe into the snow, you instantly feel in control and that makes all of the difference in the world. Use some good judgment and take an ice axe with you until the snow fields have melted away. They can be rented in town for $15. If you're concerned on how to use an ice axe for self arresting, below are two links that will serve as primers which will give you the basics for the conditions you will likely come across this month. Practice these easy maneuvers on some easy slopes at the meadows or at Consultation Lake. It will serve you well. Be safe and don't leave your wag bags or trash behind!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94QFImjdEAo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BStGfLMHaS8

Side note: I wore my micro spikes and used my ice axe for confident stability. I also had my trekking pole with a wide basket on the downhill side for the snow field at the top of the switchbacks while using my ice axe for the uphill slope. If you plan on getting to the top via the chute (a much harder approach), then you would absolutely want the ice axe.

One last thing: Don't try glissading down the chute. The snow is too shallow and you'll be busting your ass and breaking bones for 1,200 feet. If your feeling the itch to try some glissading, the slope at the cables is a much safer alternative.

Happy hiking!
Posted By: ricky90501 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/19/17 04:35 AM
I saw three people climbing the chute. Looked like a slow slog. At this point, the switchbacks are clear enough that it is definitely the faster way up.
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/19/17 04:09 PM
This is a spot on the trail, above Mirror Lake, before Trail Camp. Near Trailside Meadow.

It appears to be pretty easy to walk on the rocks along the side.

Posted on Facebook, July 18, by Heera D.

Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/19/17 07:45 PM
Posted on Facebook by Juan S, July 17:

Quote:
There are three crossings during the 97 switch backs that require it. To get to the switch backs you have to hike up snow. Also there was a spot before getting to the trail camp that required walking a short ledge of snow with a long drop.

This is the spot just before Trail Crest.
(click for full-size)
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/19/17 07:53 PM
Also by Juan S:

The snow below Trail Camp.
I am curious to know if there is any snow on the trail between the trail crest and summit. It can be narrow and a slip in some places could be devastating. Can that section be passed without crampons or spikes?

Thank you,
Trav
Posted By: ricky90501 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/20/17 01:48 AM
Originally Posted By: Travis McGee
I am curious to know if there is any snow on the trail between the trail crest and summit. It can be narrow and a slip in some places could be devastating. Can that section be passed without crampons or spikes?

Thank you,
Trav


There is no snow or ice between trail crest and the summit, even the narrow sections and the "windows" are totally dry. No need for crampons or spikes.
Posted By: QP3 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/20/17 07:25 PM
Thanks for the info Ricky!

Would you (or others) say the whole trail is doable without crampons or spikes?

Reservation is for this Saturday.

Thanks again to all!
Posted By: ricky90501 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/20/17 08:09 PM
Originally Posted By: QP3
Thanks for the info Ricky!

Would you (or others) say the whole trail is doable without crampons or spikes?

Reservation is for this Saturday.

Thanks again to all!


It depends on how confident you are walking in hard snow. There are a couple of snow fields just above mirror lake before getting to trail camp and a couple on the switchbacks (see photos others have posted above) that you need to traverse. They have pretty solid tracks already laid down from all the hikers walking through them, so as long as you securely dig your heels in with each step, you should be fine. I should mention however that these snow fields are on a steep face so if you slip or lose you footing you could potentially slide down into the rocks below. This is where trekking poles can really help to stabilize yourself. Having crampons or spikes on would offer extra security as well.

Having said all that, my two buddies and I were able to do the entire hike from Whitney portal to the summit with only trekking poles and boots without crampons/spikes. If you have boots with good traction, you should be fine.
Posted By: QP3 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/21/17 03:20 AM
This helps a ton. Thanks again!
Posted By: Chad H July 20th Summit - 07/21/17 04:59 PM
I did a solo hike on Thursday, July 20th. I started at 4:30AM from the Portal after a mile or so hike from my campsite.

Smooth going the first 4.5 miles or so (about a mile from Mirror Lake). Then I followed the wrong trail. I saw a guy putting on crampons and about to head up a huge snow field. I didn’t notice the trail continued to my right. I just saw a worn trail up the snow field. So, I threw on my micro-spikes. I wish I’d known about the proper trail but didn’t realize the mistake until I was already headed down later that day. I think the main trail would have been a bit quicker going.

I had a hard time finding the beginning of the switchbacks but once you get closer, they’re more obvious. There is a section of the switch backs towards the bottom with some snow that make it a but of a guessing game. The cable area is clear, the one large bank of snow that required climbing over has enough space behind it to pass. There are a couple other areas that require crossing snow.

Once to the Trail Crest it’s all clear. The challenge came in finding the final path to the summit when you only have .25 miles to go. Seems there are a couple different routes but they can be hard to see. I scrambled a bit until I found a trail.

I got to the top at 9:15AM. It was perfect up there. I was comfortable in a t-shirt and shorts. I spent an hour or so on top enjoying conversation with other hikers and sharing stories. I headed back down and found the snow was already getting slushy by the time I reached the crossings. It made my micro-spikes less useful.

Helpful information I gathered through my own experience and talking to others:
- Take at least 3 liters of water with you from Trail Camp. Maybe more.
- Drink frequently
- You can make it with hiking boots or trail runners (with good tread) but having some micro-spikes would be a plus
- The chute is now more effort than it’s worth from what people were saying. People I spoke to outpaced their companions who took the chute
- I tried counting the switchbacks. It took my mind off the effort and before I knew it, I was at Trail Crest
- Keep an eye out for stacked rocks. These are stacked by hikes to mark the trail. It’s very helpful when disoriented even if some people don't like them.
- Give yourself plenty of time. The last two miles to the summit takes a while. Take it slow and easy. It’s worth it!

Have fun out there!

Cheers,
Chad
Posted By: jille Re: July 20th Summit - 07/21/17 07:07 PM
Chad H - Or anyone else reading these posts who might be able to answer....

A couple of questions:
1) Is the main trail now visible and usable below Mirror Lake where many hikers are still traveling the snow field?

2) Did you use the old Mt. Whitney trail from the portal or the 'newer' trail. And if you used the newer trail, was the first water crossing still a rushing river foot soaker?

I know our first 5-6 hours will be in the dark. I want to make the best choices during these early morning hours. Our permit is on Aug. 2nd - Any feedback will be much appreciated!

Jill
Posted By: Chad H Re: July 20th Summit - 07/21/17 07:16 PM
Hi Jill,

1) Yes, the trail is visible and useable I just missed it because so many before me had been using the snow field
2) I used the newer trail and it depends on your shoes whether you get wet. I wore running shoes so I got wet. The old trail is open. I went up that for fun the day prior. It comes out about 25 yards after the water crossing.
The beginning of the Meadows has some water. It's shin high.

Have fun!
Chad
Posted By: Chetan Re: July 20th Summit - 07/22/17 11:12 AM
We'll be heading to Lone Pine on July 27 and our permits are for July 29. From the recent posts, it sounds like the switchbacks are usable, which is great!

Are there any smoke-related issues (visibility/breathing) currently due to the Detwiler fire? Recent webcam pictures look rather hazy/yellow.
Date of Hike 7/20/17
Start Time 02:04 am
Summit time 10:05 am
Time on Summit ~1 hour
Completion Time (return to portal) 4:16pm
Size of group 3
Previous experience 0

We really had no idea what to expect from the Mt Whitney trail. We were making a trip to NV/CA for the TRT endurance runs with zero elevation training or experience and decided that since we were there we should check out Mt Whitney while relatively close.

About a week prior to our trip we discovered this forum and decided we may want to do a little more research into what we should expect from the trail conditions. We already had trekking poles packed for other activities and purchased basic inexpensive 'micro spikes' ( Yak Trax XTR) and hoped they wouldn't be needed by the time we arrived.

When we started up the trail in the dark we all quickly felt the effects of the elevation coming from our home elevation of ~2000 feet. We reduced our pace and kept it comfortable through the duration of our hike. We encountered our first snow crossing, requiring us to step off of a ledge where the trail 'disappeared', across about a 2' gap between the surface of the ~ 60 yard wide snow field and the trail tread. None of us used our micro spikes for this crossing and none of us had any issues, however this crossing was exciting enough for us that two of us decided that we would wear our spikes for any future crossings.

[img:center]https://photos.app.goo.gl/gpESvkttl12gxWLq1[/img]



For the most part the trail was easy to follow as long as we stopped for a moment anywhere that seemed less than clear. Around trail camp we had to take a few extra moments to find the proper trail, but ultimately it was not difficult to continue up through this section.
[img]https://photos.app.goo.gl/6KOCcxWmuPZ3nwCx1[/img]


On the way up, just prior to Outpost Camp we made the mistake of crossing the marsh when we found the trail submerged by 6-8" of water. With a little care one of the three of us was able to make the entire trip with dry feet, but most likely you will get wet feet at one of the early crossings.

The 'Ice Bridge' on the cables was melted enough that we could easily walk around it on either side.

The remainder of the trip was very straight forward until reaching the final set of switchbacks to the summit. Here the trail appeared to end at a snow field with the hut just out of sight up the hill. Two of us made a hard right at the snow field and simply walked up the boulder field to the summit. After climbing a short distance I was able to find a very well buffed out trail that was also marked by cairns at every switchback that I believe to be the proper trail, either way this section was easy to navigate for all of us, as the hut quickly came into view, and all three of us arrived at the summit, happy with our routes.

On our return trip, which took just over half the time of the ascent, we noticed that the snow had melted very quickly throughout the day. This did not cause us any issues and in many places where the trail had been covered in the morning there was now bare ground exposed.

Ultimately we had an amazing experience and were very excited to have had the opportunity for a successful day in the mountains. We saw several people wearing trail shoes, and some without spikes or poles. I would say that neither spikes, or poles are necessary, but I was very happy to have both with my limited experience with high elevation snow crossings.

We all used sunscreen, but we also all got burnt, the sun exposure was very significant. None of us had any significant issues with altitude, but all of us felt it was a distinct and limiting factor to our pace. I had a very minor headache at times but at no point was it any worse than I would normally expect from wearing a headlamp for 3.5 hours.

Using weather.gov and selecting the summit area on the point forecast map, seemed to be accurate enough regarding hourly temperature on this day. Had we trusted it we could have left at least one additional layer behind and still been comfortable throughout the early hours.

It seemed that the majority of the people we encountered that summited this day had camped at trail camp or came up from the JMT. As first timers to this type of experience, we were very happy with our decision to make an early start for the single day event, appreciating the additional time during the cooler hours, but it was definitely a long day in the mountains and was certainly worth every step.


Posted By: RockGardener Re: July 20th Summit - 07/23/17 03:47 PM
Originally Posted By: Chetan
We'll be heading to Lone Pine on July 27 and our permits are for July 29. From the recent posts, it sounds like the switchbacks are usable, which is great!

Are there any smoke-related issues (visibility/breathing) currently due to the Detwiler fire? Recent webcam pictures look rather hazy/yellow.


We thought the visibility on July 20th was amazing! We did not experience any issues with smoke during our hike. I don't know if smoke has become an issue since that day though.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/pG1wXEWTLsskv6Pf2

Posted By: 1 step at a time Re: July 20th Summit - 07/23/17 11:30 PM
Just got back from my 2 day summit. Started on the 21st (camped just before Trail Camp) and summited/descended on the 22nd.

No issues with visibility or any more trouble breathing than usual at that altitude.



Regarding footwear.
I ended up doing the stretch from the portal to Trail Camp with hiking boots and the rest in running shoes. No microspikes or ice axe though my treking poles were great. Had I carried spikes and an ice axe, I would have happily used them on the long stretch below trail camp and the two smaller stretches near the top of the switchbacks. That said, I felt comfortable assuming the risk with my non-snow gear.

One note on the snow stretch below trail camp. A lot of it is melting off which means that a section of that block of snow might not be able to hold a person's weight for long. We got over it fine on the afternoon of the 22nd though there was a hole opening up on the side which made it look a bit like a bridge. (Sorry, no picture)
Posted By: Braudanhike Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/23/17 11:41 PM
Successful summit yesterday 7/22

My thoughts-
No need for crampons or ice axe.
Take the old trail in the am not new trail to skip creek.
All switchbacks were good to go a few covered in snow but easy
To manage.

Was a great 22 Mile day. Drank over 17 litters of water for the day so bring tons and have a pump to get more. We filled up twice and ran out at the top.

#trailbabes
Posted By: Traumatized Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/24/17 01:59 PM
7/23 day hike: Some of our group made it to the summit in about 9 hours and my fiancé and I got about 1000 meters away by 9 hours, could see the summit before the hail and lightning storm started and we had to turn back. Those storms gear up quick! It lasted several hours and felt like we just couldn't get off the mountain soon enough. Very scary.

On our way down we dreaded going back across the snow patch at the top of the switchbacks and the one below trail camp. These felt very sketchy on the way up, and on our way down we saw a man fall about 20-30ft off the one under trail camp. He was badly injured and thankfully there were a lot of people around to help get him out as he was unconscious . He had to stay on the mountain overnight because helicopters can't rescue this late in the day because it's too dark (6pm-ish). We started booking it down to the portal to get help as no one had a radio or working walkie talkies. On our way down no one we passed had these either. A lady who was with the man came up on the trail behind us as we descended, she passed us up and was able to bump into search and rescue who had just finished helping another man down that made this exact same fall earlier in the day.

These two patches of snow are very scary especially because of the snow melt. There are a lot of loose rocks on the one at the top of switchbacks, and the one below trail camp is very unstable. If you have microspikes or crampons be smart and USE THEM! If not, then invest in your life and buy them!
Posted By: tomrm09 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/24/17 06:19 PM
Is there a lot of pure ice on the trail right now? I'm doing an overnight hike in about 1.5 weeks and was considering going from trail camp to summit before sunrise on the second day so I could watch the sunrise from the top. But if there will be ice or loose rocks from melting snow then I might reconsider hiking through that in the dark.
Posted By: kikoaco Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/24/17 07:39 PM
Originally Posted By: tomrm09
Is there a lot of pure ice on the trail right now? I'm doing an overnight hike in about 1.5 weeks and was considering going from trail camp to summit before sunrise on the second day so I could watch the sunrise from the top. But if there will be ice or loose rocks from melting snow then I might reconsider hiking through that in the dark.


I'm hiking the weekend of Aug. 12 and was hoping to do something similar in regards to camping at trail camp and starting for the summit around 4am the next day. Please let me know if that's what you end up doing and how it goes. Thank you.
Posted By: Traumatized Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/24/17 07:57 PM
If you have microspikes or crampons you should be safe. After what I saw yesterday I wouldn't recommend going without.
Posted By: pnw100 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/24/17 08:37 PM
Can the snow patches be avoided? When do you anticipate the snow to be clear?
Posted By: Traumatized Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/24/17 11:47 PM
Our friends were behind us and the guy who fell, and they took the boulders down after seeing what happened and not having spikes. They said it was scary and a lot of loose rocks... it isn't part of the trail, but they made it down to avoid that particular crossing. I don't see a way to avoid the ones at the top of the switchbacks.

I'm not experienced with snow enough to know how much longer it will be around. My guess is a couple weeks.

Also to note, the man who fell was not an inexperienced hiker. This was his 19th time doing Mt. Whitney.
Posted By: Carlitos Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/25/17 03:33 AM
Hey guys, got overnight permit for Saturday night/Sunday morning. Had a couple of questions:

- There seems to be some debate if micro-spikes are necessary. Me and my hiking partner have trekking poles and are willing to get micro-spikes if they are deemed necessary. We are leaning towards getting them as the weather seems like it will keep trail conditions slushy.

- Speaking of weather. It seems as if Sunday morning has a chance of showers. We had planned to summit during sunrise but am wondering if people think we should alter our plans due to the 20% chance of showers.
Posted By: NickM Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/25/17 04:00 PM
Hi all, thank you for the valuable tips and information. This is my first trip to Whitney and I'll be trying for the summit solo on 8/1/17. Wouldn't mind tagging along with others along the way.
Posted By: tomrm09 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/25/17 07:03 PM
Originally Posted By: Traumatized
If you have microspikes or crampons you should be safe. After what I saw yesterday I wouldn't recommend going without.


Sounds good, I'll try to pick up some spikes or crampons this weekend. I'll post about my trip when I get back.
Posted By: Bobby49 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/26/17 02:22 AM
Prior to this year, I would generally be hiking uphill through Trail Camp at dawn. I would get to a spot around Switchback #15-20 where the snow melt water had been flowing across the trail, and then it froze overnight. So, suddenly I would hit the slick patch and start to spin out. But that wasn't enough to warrant using microspikes.

Higher up, the packed snow is likely slicker, so it wouldn't be stupid to have microspikes along.
Posted By: mrchowmein Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/26/17 03:04 AM

I went up this past Saturday, July 22 wrote a quick trailninjas.com blog post about it.

microspikes are NOT needed, but would come in handy. Definitely carry poles. the snow is melting fast. in the same day, the same snow patches were different from the morning compared to the afternoon. we encountered snow between 1/2 mile before Trail Camp all the way up to Trail Crest. crossing the patches can be a lil dicey. there is also a patch of snow near the summit, most people just scramble up the rocks around the patch.

water crossings were up to the knees. my feet were wet from mile 1 all the way up to Trail Crest. so bring extra socks.
Posted By: jille Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/26/17 02:31 PM
Leaving the Whitney Portal at about 1 a.m. on Aug. 2nd. I would appreciate any updates on trail conditions by folks who are hiking this week. Details on where snow fields are still covering the main Mt Whitney trail would be extremely helpful, hence a good portion of our hiking will be limited to headlamps.

Thank you - Jill
Posted By: Mkatz Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/27/17 02:11 PM
Trip report ... summitted July 26.. we are first timers on whitney

My wife and I are from wiconsin so we attempted to get acclimatized by doing a hikes to kearsage pass out of onion valley and did cotton wood lakes (each separate day hikes).. since we do not live any where near altitude we took diamox 125 mg bid.

- We left at 2 am from the portal
- Take the old trail in the beginning, it cuts off .25 miles and you avoid a major water crossing, the old trail is right at the portal
- bring crocs or sandals - I only changed on way up. On the way down I said screw it and walked right through. These are ankle deep when we went
- snow crossings - if you are leaving very early like we did, the first snow crossing was icy, so we used our yaktrax. Then it was easy to get a good grip. We had poles too. On the return we used no yak trax, snow was slushy, use your polls and kick in a spot in the snow to get a good grip
- watch your water... I wish I refilled at the switchbacks going up. This is the last spot for water on the trail. My wife and I ran out right before trailcresrt on the way back
- great trip for sure, conditions are changing so fast , I have followed these forums but best to go portal store day before hike and chat with return hikers about the snow crossings and what condition they are in so u have a good idea
Posted By: LarryK Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/28/17 02:09 AM
Hi all, thanks for the trip reports, really helpful gauging changing conditions and thinking about what to bring along and prepare. I'm hiking Whitney on the main trail on 8/1 as a solo hiker. I have an extra permit, but the person who was going to join me can't. If you know someone who'd like it, it's available.

Also, I have a reserved site at the Whitney Portal main campground for 7/30, 7/31, and 8/1. If anyone would like to share the campsite on one or more of those dates, I'm open to it - it's only me and my car. I think each site can have two cars and up to 6 people. I'd ask only that you pay the extra vehicle fee of $7 if you have a car.

PM me if interested in any of the above (very last minute, I know). I wasn't certain if I should create a new thread or just post here with the thanks regarding trip reports. Thanks again!
Posted By: jille Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/28/17 03:24 PM
A Couple More Questions...

Below Trail Camp, where snow is covering the main trail, is it difficult to relocate the main trail after crossing the snow? (Walking this portion in the dark)

Or perhaps, is it now possible to stay on the main trail all the way up to Trail Camp?

Jill
Posted By: cantare Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/30/17 01:39 AM
Climbed main trail July 27 in perfect weather. Took old trail at portal both ways to avoid crossings (why does anyone use the new trail?)

Bighorn Park still flooded in spots, up to calf deep depending on time of day. I used water shoes until the crossing just past Outpost campsites, then stashed them in a tree. A few more wet spots above this (those waterfall stairs upthread) can be avoided with some care.

I took Consultation Lake snowfield route on the way up--that continues to melt out and has some breakthru holes, water underruns and the usual overhangs near rocks to watch for. Don't just blithely follow the old footprints without checking what you're about to walk over.

Took official main trail down. I'd say snow is no longer a real concern. Below trail camp the much-discussed traverse has melted out to the point where there's just one minor hump of snow to walk over.

The 97 switchbacks are almost completely clear--I think there were 2 or 3 where I cut the corner--#92 was the worst of these and needed a brief steep scramble up/down scree.

Snowmelt "spring" at #23 flowing merrily after AM thaw...drank about 4 untreated liters.

Cables are melted out.

Below trail crest on final straight there is one easy snow traverse left. The second, formerly scarier one right at the top is almost completely dirt now.

Summit snowfield reroute after Keeler Needle (i.e. the last and biggest "window") is still in effect. After passing this window and before reaching the main snowfield on the ridgeline ahead, look up and to the right for an obvious line of cairns and follow the diverging rough trail steeply up to the summit. You will rejoin the main trail just short of the summit at a place flanked by two large cairns; remember this junction for the descent. There were a number of people who missed this cutoff in both directions.
Posted By: jille Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/31/17 02:21 PM
Thanks "Cantare" for the info!!!
Posted By: lpj Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/31/17 09:42 PM
I summitted for the 6th time on the 27 also. I would concur with everything you said. Taking the old trail up and back saved us an additional water crossing. It was easy to find after looking at pictures posted on this forum. It appears that more people are using it so it is easy to follow. Still amazed at the number of abandoned wag bags along the trail. Trial Camp was not very crowded. I filled a 1 gallon zip lock bag of small pieces of trash left behind at trail camp and along the trail. I think if everyone stopped and picked up the small stuff along the way it would help. Wag bags are a different story. Also, why is it that every year when I go to filter water at Trail Camp I am met by a pile of noodles in the water from someone who decided to wash their cooking gear in the water? People need to also realize that if you are going to summit you need get off the top early! I saw a lot of people at Trail Crest at 2:00 p.m. that were trying to summit. I ran into a day hiker at Outpost Camp at 10:00 a.m. who was going to summit.......REALLY? The best was the hiker who came into Trail Camp at 7:00 p.m. crying because they had a migraine for 4 hours because they ran out of water and still had to hike down to their camp at Outpost. Mountain-Forecast.com provided me the best and most detailed weather information. Finally, a big THANK YOU! to everyone who contributes to this forum. Your information is up to date, detailed and very helpful. I wish everyone a safe and memorable hike. LIFE IS GOOD!
Posted By: david_garza Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 07/31/17 10:20 PM
Originally Posted By: lpj
Taking the old trail up and back saved us an additional water crossing. It was easy to find after looking at pictures posted on this forum.

Is there a particular thread you can link to? Thx.

Edit: Link to Old Trail information
Posted By: BFR Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 08/01/17 02:33 AM
I hiked down the trail yesterday. The trail was entirely clear with the exception of a section right near the top that can be easily bypassed. There are two snow traverses that can be easily done without any gear. The only water issue is near Outpost camp where approximately 10 meters of the trail is submerged with 4-5" of water.
Posted By: Squib09 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 08/01/17 02:41 AM
Summited with a group of 7 on the 28th. It was my second time, as well as two other people in our group. The rest were doing it for the first time.

We got to the portal at 1PM on the 27, and our group of four was on the "new" trail by 1345. It was hot, especially on the exposed portions up until we got to Big Horn Park. Cover from the sun is a must if you start in mid afternoon. In Big Horn Park were were assaulted by the mosquito's and had to take off our boots for a solid 100' of trail (pressed between a granite face and the inundated meadow) that was under about 12" of water. That water was cold! but it felt good on our feet.

We made Trail Camp by just before 1900, but that time was delayed significantly by a gross navigational error on my part. We missed a switchback past the flooded trail north of Mirror lake and wound up veering to the south of the preferred course and up .80 miles of snow (by my watch), putting us on the shore of Consultation lake. That was not fun, there were old tracks on the snow we were following, but a bush blocked our view of the switchback and we were probably overly expectant of a snow crossing before Trail Camp from reading other trip reports here. We then had to hike a few hundred meters over the rocks to trail camp, where we rendezvoused with three of our partners who had hiked up earlier in the day.

We were on the trail by 0745 on the 28th and reached Trail Crest in just over two hours. The spring between switchbacks 22 & 23 flooded all of the switchbacks below it with cold water. The snow on switchback 88 was not a real technical challenge, but I was a bit freaked out by the thought of accelerating down the steep snow back below the snow covered switchback if I fell. Those were some slow, deliberate and careful steps for me, with trekking poles but no crampons. Switchback 91 had a much smaller, but slightly trickier patch of snow, but there was more room to fall with that one.

The hike to the summit was as advertised, with several hikers on the way down letting us know about the cairns that guided us around the snow patch on the approach to the summit. There were still multiple climbers slogging through the snow or wandering through the boulders outside the cairns on our way up, so the gouge wasn't well distributed. We were on our way down by 1:30PM and reached Trail Camp in 2:18, where we packed up and recharged our water. The trip down was relatively uneventful, other than the fact that the mosquitos down trail from Outpost Camp were somehow worse than the day before.

We took the new trail again, and watched the open sign on the Portal store turn off as were were 15' from the door at around 2045. The gentleman manning the store opened up to sell us some gatorades after we helped him load the trash into his truck, which was greatly appreciated.

I last summited in 2012, and was stunned by how much water is on the trail this year, I would certainly not bring excessive water weight on a summit attempt this year due to the easy availability of water everywhere on the trail. Climbing Whitney is still the best adventure one can have in a day or two in the Sierras!
Posted By: mtlover Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 08/01/17 04:41 PM
Thanks Squib09 the very very helpful detail report!
Posted By: G4u2 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 08/03/17 09:59 PM
I did a solo overnight hike starting at Whitney Portal at 5:15 am on July 30th. I got to Trailcamp by 9:00 am, which was much earlier than anticipated. It's hard to gauge how in shape you are based on talking with different people! I then decided I didn't want to stay at the featureless camp for the whole day and headed to the summit.

I left there at 10:00 am. I got to the top at 1:15 pm with picture-perfect weather. After about 30 minutes the nice puffy clouds on top of Mt. Whitney quickly changed to darker ones, so I decided to start heading back. By the time I was at Trailcrest, I could hear thundering.

By the time I made to Trail camp (4:00 pm), I could see the whole ridge was getting hit by what looked like sheets of precipitation. From 12,000ft, I wasn't sure if it was hitting the ground though. Nonetheless, the lighting was pretty scary and definitely got me back to Trailcamp faster. The lesson there is: try to summit before noon this time of the year.

By the way, a great spot to get clean water is at the switchbacks between Trailcamp and Traicrest. It's a good filling time as you are coming back of the mountain and the water is not stagnant like the one by Trailcamp. I then debated getting back to Portal, but ultimately decided to spend the night at Trailcamp.

I left there at 5:00am, and leisurely came down, taking pictures. I was back to Portal before 8:30 am.

On the microspike need, I brought and used them at two locations - one small patch before Trailcamp, and the other sketchier patch right below Trailcrest. Can you do without them? Absolutely. Also, on water shoes, I regret bringing them. The only spot you need to take your boots off is right below Outpost camp. The flooded trail is not gravelly and one could easily walk barefooted - save some weight.


More pictures: https://goo.gl/photos/TN2CSJTkVSBKbpd6A
Originally Posted By: G4u2
Also, on water shoes, I regret bringing them The only spot you need to take your boots off is right below Outpost camp. The flooded trail is not gravely and one could easily walk barefooted - save some weight.


I actually use my water shoes for camp shoes so I don't have to slip my big boots all the time on for nightime strolls to the nearest bolder. smile So they'd be dual purpose in my case. And I got a fairly light pair that are about 12 oz.

Hope you enjoyed the sunrise from Trail Camp before heading down. That was one of my highlights of my first Whitney hike (well two, since I stayed two nights at Trail Camp smile ).
So have they repaired the door on the hut so you can sleep inside?
Posted By: Raptor Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 08/04/17 03:01 PM
Great post! The link to the photos of current snow and water conditions is very helpful. I'm heading to Whitney for the first time for an overnight hike next weekend and have been a little anxious about the trail conditions, but your photos have set my mind at ease.
Posted By: Veda Loca Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 08/04/17 04:43 PM
Did you use crampons?
Thanks!
Posted By: Veda Loca Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 08/04/17 04:44 PM
Are you bringing crampons?
Thanks!
Posted By: Veda Loca Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 08/04/17 04:50 PM
Do you wish you had brought crampons?
Thanks!
Posted By: Raptor Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 08/04/17 11:20 PM
I'm bringing microspikes in case of compacted slippery snow.
Posted By: MrHoff Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 08/05/17 11:04 PM
I was part of a group that climbed Mount Whitney this week. On Wednesday, August 2, we hiked from Whitney Portal up to the ridge overlooking Consultation Lake (about a third of a mile short of Trail Camp), where we set up our tents. The following morning, we broke camp at about 6:30 and reached the summit at about 10:30. Hooray!! Due to threatening clouds, we left the summit at 11:00, returned to our camp-site, packed up, and made it back to Whitney Portal by 6:30 PM.

Snow is not a problem on the trail. Between Whitney Portal and Trail Crest, there are two short snowfields that do not require crampons, micro-spikes, or even trekking poles. About a quarter-mile short of the summit, there is a snowfield that is easily avoided by a well-cairned by-pass trail.

There is some water on the trail, but it is only a problem for hikers wearing non-waterproof or low-top footwear. I wear medium-weight Salomon hiking boots. With nimble rock-hopping (and trekking poles for balance), I was able to keep my feet dry on the way down from the summit. People with low-top boots will want to change to water shoes in a couple of spots.

Overall, the trail is in great shape. We enjoyed a once-in-a-lifetime experience -- and you will, too!

A side note: We encountered many abandoned "wag bags" of human waste left along the trail. Eeewww! Please be considerate of your fellow hikers, and be responsible stewards of the environment, by bringing back your "wag bags."
We summitted Whitney 8/4/17. Left portal at 2am and returned just before 4pm. We took the old trailhead to bypass any fears of getting soaked by the two water crossings early on. It was very easy to locate the old trailhead using this thread.
http://www.whitneyzone.com/wz/ubbthreads.php/topics/15657/Old_Trail_Trailhead
The flooded meadow crossing just before outpost camp was ankle high. We navigated carefully and were able to escape with mostly dry feet. I wore mid high gore-Tex boots and stayed relatively dry throughout the day. I elected to not carry water shoes in order to save time changing shoes. I'm overall happy with my decision but this is a personal preference.
In regards to microspikes or crampons in my opinion there is no need. There are a couple very minor snow crossings. This is the worst (Midway up on the switchbacks)
https://goo.gl/photos/sc6oEjXC4gtsD8GP8


A couple weeks ago there was a treacherous crossing near the top of the switchbacks but it has since melted out completely.
See photo. https://goo.gl/photos/VDeD4VJNG1vWuNUS8


With trekking poles and hiking boots there were no issues on any of the snow crossings.
The weather was cloudy and cool. I wore a t-shirt and shorts most of the day but put on a light rain jacket and gloves at trail crest while waiting for friends to finish the switchbacks. I did bring a long sleeve shirt and pants as well but never put them on.
A couple other things to note: The portal store was not cooking food nor offering showers due to "no water". We later discovered signs posted at the portal spigots noting E. coli had been detected in the water at the portal and they recommend boiling the water before drinking etc. Fortunately we had filled our bladders prior to our arrival and had extra food. But we were looking forward to a meal at the portal store the night before our hike.
Lastly, there was a ranger on the trail checking for permits and wag bags. We saw her handing out citations to people who couldn't produce their wag bags. That's all for now. Safe travels!

Edited by Keithdavis79 (08/05/17 09:19 PM)
Posted By: Bobby49 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 08/06/17 03:05 AM
Originally Posted By: Keithdavis79
We summitted Whitney 8/14/17.


Are you time travelers?
Originally Posted By: Bobby49
Originally Posted By: Keithdavis79
We summitted Whitney 8/14/17.


Are you time travelers?


Quick, what are the lottery numbers?!?
Originally Posted By: Bobby49
Originally Posted By: Keithdavis79
We summitted Whitney 8/14/17.


Are you time travelers?


Lol. Oops smile. Sorry. Was yesterday 8/4/17. I corrected the mistake. Thanks!
Posted By: tabbycats Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 08/06/17 03:32 PM
My sister and I reached the summit on Saturday 8/5/17. Keith has a great description of the current conditions. I just wanted to add that we took the new trail from the Portal and had no problem getting across the first few water crossings while keeping our feet dry. At the ankle-deep crossing before Outpost Camp we took off our shoes for the crossing, which, though cold, actually felt really good on the way back.
Originally Posted By: Keithdavis79

Lastly, there was a ranger on the trail checking for permits and wag bags. We saw her handing out citations to people who couldn't produce their wag bags.

Very interesting. What was the citation for? Anyone?
Posted By: bobbyj54 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 08/07/17 04:49 PM
Has anyone come up the west side. We have a High sierra trail trip planned for end of August. Curios if anyone knows the conditions
Originally Posted By: SierraNevada
Originally Posted By: Keithdavis79

Lastly, there was a ranger on the trail checking for permits and wag bags. We saw her handing out citations to people who couldn't produce their wag bags.

Very interesting. What was the citation for? Anyone?


Citations if you could not show her your wag bag, either used or unused. You're required to carry one. If you don't have one to show they assume you either never had one to begin with or left it on the trail. I believe the citations were just warnings but It was nice to see there was some sort of regulation. There are wag bags all over the trail. Very disappointing.
Posted By: cantare Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 08/07/17 08:40 PM
Originally Posted By: SierraNevada
Originally Posted By: Keithdavis79

Lastly, there was a ranger on the trail checking for permits and wag bags. We saw her handing out citations to people who couldn't produce their wag bags.

Very interesting. What was the citation for? Anyone?

"Failure to have your sh__ together"? laugh
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 08/09/17 07:51 PM
Posted on Instagram by haydayhikes
North Fork Lone Pine Creek (approx. Aug 3)

Using the Old Trail for the first mile bypasses this -- it joins the main trail just a few yards after this crossing.

Posted By: retarded Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 08/12/17 12:39 AM
How are the mosquitos now?

Heading up this weekend!
Posted By: david_garza Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 08/12/17 03:45 AM
There are mosquitoes at Trail Camp later in the day.
Summited on August 10th, 2017.

Trail conditions - No micro-spikes/crampons needed. There is no snow on the trail above trail camp. There was a tiny patch (less than 10 feet on pretty flat gradient) between Trail Side Meadows and Trail Camp. It is stained pink in patches due to Chlamydomonas alga. Do not eat it, however much it reminds you of watermelon snow cones on a hot and tiring hike. The water crossings are very manageable. I followed the regular trail and had to cross the two water crossings within the first mile from the trail head. There's lots of water gushing across but enough outcropping rocks to tip toe across. Waterproof boots with good treads will help. The meadow before Outpost Camp has a few crossings too. Rangers installed a new log bridge over one of them as I came by (Thanks!). The waterfall staircase (as I call it) a mile above Mirror lake is gorgeous. It may look intimidating but the rocks are not slippery. Some steps have shallow water and others can be stepped around. All water crossings are no more than about ankle deep.

Weather - I found the weather to be in line with forecasts from mountain-forecast.com. Expected 39-43F at the summit in AM hours and it felt like that. Perhaps a little colder than that due to wind chill. At those temperatures, you will need something more substantial than a fleece jacket. Dress in layers so you can take a few off while coming down as it gets pretty warm below Trail Crest after noon. People in shorts found it to be uncomfortably cold at the summit in AM hours.

Water - Lots of water is available on the way. Major refill points that I found to be good - one within a mile before Lone Pine Lake and then there is the stream by the Trail Side Meadows (between Mirror Lake and Trail Camp). Look out for the wild flowers by the stream. It is a sight to behold. Lake at Trail Camp is popular too. There are a couple of streams on the switchbacks above Trail Camp. The snow is still melting and I do not think the flow rate will dwindle any time soon. In terms of water planning if it helps - I used about 2 liters from trail head to Trail Camp, another 2 liters from Trail Camp to Summit and back to Trail Camp and a final 2 liters from Trail Camp to trail head.

Critters, bugs and animals - Bear sightings (second hand report) in Whitney Portal campground (lock your food in the camp site's bear lockers). A few deer on the way (before lone pine lake and between Outpost Camp and Mirror Lake), a coyote at trail camp on the far side of the lake, and mosquitoes at a few places (I was fine without any repellants). Watch out for squirrels and marmots at Trail Camp. They can chew through your tent if you leave food in your tent.

Gear - Waterproof boots with good tread, dress in layers, sunblock and mosquito repellant, hiking poles, cap, sunglasses, bear locker if camping at Trail Camp (other places have bear lockers).

On Mountain sickness - I used prescription Diamox. Talk to your doctor about what you should do for more advice. Drink lots of water and keep yourself well fed. I did not feel any mountain sickness starting from almost sea level and up and down back to sea level in 3 days.

Rangers - Whitney rangers walk up and down the trail checking on permits and wag bags. Make sure you keep them handy. Hats off to the rangers for doing a great job and all those trail maintainers. The trail is in great shape. Lots of nice people and smiling faces on the mountain. Have fun and safe travels!
Posted By: BGDCPA Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 08/12/17 08:06 PM
Summit on 8/11/2017

Left Whitney Portal at7:15am and made Trail Camp at 11:00 am. Trail is in great shape.Left Trail camp at 3:50 am and made summit at 6:20 am (2.5 hours).

Though I did use water shoes just before outpost - no longer needed them on the way out. All the way down the mountain I was able to navigate the water sections without removing my low top North Face Ultra 109 hiking shoes.

Weather was amazing and plenty f spots at trail camp. But as always - people come in late - make a ton of noise for hours - and thus no consideration for those of us who want an early start and early to bed...so be ready for that - get away from other camp spots...if you want to rest.

Water at trail camp lake is still in great shape. I pumped but the water looked good...and cold. I saw maybe one mosquito at outpost but it did not bite me - so really did not need repellent.

One patch of snow down low - but so easy to cross and only 20-40 feet across. for me going solo - carried 30lb pack and that is it...that was too much food because I thought I would be there longer. Don;t over do it - light is good and much more enjoyable....and that was even with my luxury 2 person tent for one.

For sure - do not leave your food unattended even in a zip lock bag. Chipmunk stole my summit snickers bar at trail camp...bet he/she was happy....that and my peanut butter crackers.

Use mountain-forecast.com for weather and NOAA - they are the most accurate...no before you go. Finally, You Got This....enjoy it - take lts of picture. I suggest early starts - because later in the day it gets really hot - even as early at 11:00 can be brutal. Lot's of sunscreen. Every hour and a half - sunscreen, hydrate, eat 200-300 calories....every stop it helps.
Posted By: Brett Dean Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 08/12/17 09:34 PM

I understand that the Portal has a "boil only" policy right now because of water issues, possible e. coli? in the water.

Question: And I think I know the answer, but I just want to be sure. Can I safely pump/filter my water as a summit? Is this just an isolated issue with the Portal area?

Thank you in advance

Brett
Posted By: BGDCPA Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 08/12/17 11:47 PM
Yes you can pump... filter anywhere in the mountain between portal and trail camp... which is last place to water up
Posted By: MrHoff Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 08/13/17 05:43 AM
Originally Posted By: Steve C
Posted on Instagram by haydayhikes
North Fork Lone Pine Creek (approx. Aug 3)

Using the Old Trail for the first mile bypasses this -- it joins the main trail just a few yards after this crossing.


I crossed this stream by walking along the rocks. Used trekking poles for balance. No problem. Feet stayed totally dry.
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 08/13/17 07:41 AM
Originally Posted By: Anisha Sinha
Summited on August 10th, 2017....
Anisha Sinha: Great report. Thanks!

Several comments...
Weather: Mountain Forecast is good for temperatures, but in the past they have over-predicted the potential amounts of snowfall. I like NOAA better. Both are included in the links on the Mt Whitney Weather page, link is always above on the left, in the Feature Topics box.

Anisha wrote:
> The meadow before Outpost Camp has a few crossings too. Rangers installed a new log bridge over one of them as I came by (Thanks!)
It would be fantastic if someone could post a picture of the new log bridge!

> Critters, bugs and animals - Bear sightings (second hand report) in Whitney Portal campground (lock your food in the camp site's bear lockers).
MORE on this: Especially in the early-morning darkness: Do NOT set your pack down and walk away from it. And Do NOT open a bear box and leave it open while you walk back to your car. The bears know this is an excellent opportunity to lurk nearby, then run, grab a bag, and run off with it!!!
Posted By: Mac Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 08/15/17 03:48 AM
Anisha - If you were part of the two family group doing this adventure, we passed each other both days on the way up and down - a long day on the trail.

I filmed the coyote on the morning of the 10th on the back side (south?) of trail camp across the gully on the lower portion of the mountain slope, it was hunting for marmots in the rocks who where making quite a ruckus/distress call to their friends. It was quite a ways off but as we looked at one another for a bit, it retreated. I was able to grab my video camera and film, as it stopped several times to look back at me. I may have also saw a pup run through the rock croppings farther back near where the coyote was going but in blink of an eye unable to catch it on film?

I came across the new log bridge as the two rangers (guy and gal) were making adjustment chops to log. If I remember correctly is located just after Outpost going down/ before Outpost going up? As I approached, I asked should I be the guinea pig as they let me cross and tried to shake the log - its solid - I believe less than 10 feet/length and less than 1 foot/width.

Except brief period of light hail (extracted from tent) at trail camp evening of the 9th, weather was in line with forecasts.
Posted By: retarded Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 08/16/17 05:54 PM
Originally Posted By: Brett Dean

I understand that the Portal has a "boil only" policy right now because of water issues, possible e. coli? in the water.


I did the day hike on 8/14 and camped at the family campground for two nights. Sorry I didn't take a picture but the warning on the campground taps implied that the water should be OK if your immune system is not compromised.

Thanks for those that shared this though as I brought extra water from home, likely full of medicine and chemicals people flush down the toilet (lol).

Overall condition of the trail on 8/14 was the same as noted prior, except the section at Outpost camp was heavily flooded in the early AM. This area was lightly flooded in the evening of the 14th.
posted a picture of the new single log bridge

Originally Posted By: Mark K
posted a picture of the new single log bridge


Just be careful on that log. It's not secured and shifted slightly when I went over it.

A couple of the long line of logs over Lone Pine Creek closer to the Portal also were not secured.

Nothing super dangerous, just don't go running across them expecting the log to stay where it is for the whole run. smile
Posted By: nicebloke Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 08/31/17 08:02 PM
We did the day hike on Tuesday 8/29. Conditions as follows:

- Water crossing at 0.5 mi was normal, easy to cross on rocks
- North Fork crossing at 0.9 mi was high but still passable on rocks
- At 5am, the entrance to Bighorn Meadow was very wet. There was about 20-30 feet of trail under 10-12" of water, and then further along another similar stretch by the new log noted above (in other words, the log was not a help). We threw on water shoes until we climbed out of Outpost Camp. The second creek crossing was too high to navigate on the rocks without getting wet feet too. When we cam back through about 4:15pm, the water had receded dramatically, despite rainfall since lunchtime, and water shoes were not needed. everything was navigable in my non-waterproof trail runners
- Spring at 23rd switchback was running in full force. I don't see it drying up for a while (if at all this year)
- Backside has one patch of snow about 30 feet in length about 0.5 mi from the summit. Pretty easy to navigate with poles, just be careful if it gets slushy because it gets slippery. There's no alternate route obvious (I looked for cairns but found none).
Posted By: CatB Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 09/01/17 03:26 PM
Was on the main trail last week. We were clued in by descending hikers about how to avoid the snow field.
There is a bypass/use trail worked in just before you hit the snow. It's not that obvious but you can see it & there are cairns marking the way up. It's fairly steep with tight little switchbacks but it's short & intersects with the main trail above the snow.
But when coming off the summit make sure you look for it right away to the left or you will end up off trail in the snow like we did.
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 09/02/17 06:04 AM
This posted on FB on Sept 1 by LT. Looks like there was a pretty heavy storm:





Posted By: Phiker Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 09/05/17 02:59 PM
Day hiked on Sept. 3rd.
All water crossings were easily managed. North Fork still had a good flow but it was very easy to rock hop even in total darkness (3:15am). There was only one spot in Bighorn Park where it was a little sketchy (as described earlier) but even then, with rocks and tree limbs, I did not see anybody get their feet wet. The heavy storm from August 31st must have dumped a lot of rain to raise the level of the water crossings but have now receded. Overall, my feet stayed dry for the entire trip. No big difference in water levels between early morning and mid afternoon.
The snow patch just before the summit was really easy to navigate. No need to make a detour to avoid it. The snow was getting a little slushy (9:30am-11am) but it's a short section (30 feet maybe).
Dark clouds began forming over the summit at 11am precisely and another storm broke out later that afternoon/evening. I only got a little sprinkle on the way down the switchbacks and around Trailside Meadow.
Another amazing day on Whitney, one lucky girl even got proposed once their group made it on the summit!
Originally Posted By: Steve C
This posted on FB on Sept 1 by LT. Looks like there was a pretty heavy storm:


Looks like I was lucky I did my big trek starting on Aug 13th instead of last week.
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 09/10/17 04:02 AM
A rare rainbow picture taken from near the cables during an afternoon rain.
Posted on fb by Joel O, Sept 8.

Trip report for Saturday September 9.

Arrived in Lone Pine from L.A. at about 1:00 PM and drove straight up to Horseshoe Meadows to acclimate a little bit (2 hours). Then down to the Hostel where the room was very nice. Had some dinner and then went to bed for a few hours sleep. Woke up and drove to the portal at about 11:30PM and sat in my car until 1:30AM. My hiking partner and I hiked up to Lone Pine Lake without headlamps because of the bright moon. We actually didn't use our headlamps all night except for the water crossings. We could see clouds coming over Trail Crest and we were anticipating some weather because the night before it had sleeted and snowed in the upper elevations.

The water crossings at Outpost camp were OK because somebody left branches in the water and we did not get our feet wet. We stopped after Mirror Lake to snack up for the long slog up the rocks to Thor and Trail Camp (my least favorite part). We stopped again at Trail Camp to eat again and I had to put on my heavy jacket and gloves because it got cooold! It was at this point that I hit the wall of sorts, I didn't want to go on I just wanted to go back to my car and sleep! I made myself press on with mighty effort and by the time we reached switchback #20 I got my second wind. Counting the 99 switchbacks really helps keep my mind on the goal and they don't seem to take forever when you know where you are (the cables start on #47 BTW).

As we ascended, the trail became covered in snow. Snow! I wasn't ready for how much snow there was! And it was slippery in the shade! There were also ice patches where puddles had formed from the storm the night before. Switchback #99 was covered in about a half an inch of snow the whole way. After Trail Crest it got really dicey going down the hill to the JMT but slow going worked well.

The trail from JMT to about the 3rd window was covered in slippery snow as well which was very scary on some of those tricky steps right next to the drop offs and it took a long time to negotiate those sections. We considered turning around because we did not want to go back over those spots if it got colder, but we went on anyway. The fog was thick in the valley of Trail Camp and it was rising up between the needles and windows like cauldron smoke, but it was only fog not angry clouds so we pressed on. We reached the small snowfield near the summit and it was narrow and slippery but pretty easy (30 feet maybe).

Finally, the summit! I celebrated my 5th Whitney ascent and ate lunch. The fog was thick on the east side so we could not see Lone Pine or Trail Camp, but the western views were open and beautiful with white puffy clouds. It was not cold or windy at 14,508 feet.

I was anticipating the dangerous trail conditions on the way back but the sun had melted all of the snow and it was fine! The light snow drizzle started as we were coming down the 99's and lasted until Trailside Meadow. We were in the dark by the time we reached the North Fork crossing coming down and my partner was so tired he did not want to cross the swollen creek so we took the "shortcut" down instead. It was very rocky and brambly and rough but we made it (thanks to the instructions I read on the boards)! 5 summits out of 8 attempts, no altitude sickness of any kind once again.. I will be back next year I think!

-Dan
Posted By: sankar Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 09/12/17 06:23 PM
I hiked up to outpost camp on Saturday 9/9 and did summit hike on sunday sep 10.

The water crossings between portal store and outpost is easily manageable with poles. I did carry the water shoes just in case but didn't use them.

We started the summit hike from Outpost on sunday (9/10) 1.30am and reached the summit at 8.30am. The trail was clear from snow/ice and water until trail crest. Between trail crest and summit, there was snow for 10 ft length. It was easy to cross it when going up but by the time we returned, that section was slippery. Poles helped a lot.
Posted By: raja Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 09/13/17 08:08 PM
Summited on 9/11/17 (Day Hike):

First of all thanks to all the fellow hikers who shared information in this forum. It was very useful for me and also gave lot of confidence in taking up this hike.

1) Picked up the permit +WAG bag on 9/9 (Saturday).
2) Did a acclimatization hike up to Lone Pine lake after that.
3) Also started on AMS medication on Saturday Morning and took it till Sunday night. Didn't get any AMS symptoms during the hike.
5) Sunday (9/10) drove to Horse Shoe Meadows trailhead , did 1 mile of hiking and came back to Lone pine.
6) Monday Early Morning @12:30AM, started the hike and summited ~11AM. We were pretty slow so we started early to compensate that. The forecast was 60% rain & thunderstorm after 11am so we really wanted to summit before noon.
7) All the water crossing was passable without getting water into the shoes.
8) There is small patch of snow in the last mile to summit, just before the turn up to the hut. It was scary for me but with poles it was passable. Many other hikers were crossing it easily.
9) It started raining+hail once i got near the summit and was pretty cold. I didn't hear any thunder so just pushed towards the summit.
10) If i can change, one thing i would do is take less water. I carried 3 L water pouch + 1 Lt Nalgene bottle + 1 gatorade. There is ample water along the way so i would cut down to say 2Lts max.
11) We are a group of three and other two hikers could reach trail crest only around noon. By the time they were close to the summit they started hearing some thunder and others advised them to turn around. So unfortunately they didn't summit.
12) From JMT junction to the summit, crossing all those boulders was very challenging to me and took all my energy. Last half mile, i was walking like a zombie.
13) On the way down rain + thunder storm started once i crossed the log bridge after Lone Pine Lake, it was pretty scary. The thunderstorm really pushed me and last three miles i did at super pace and reached the portal around 7PM.

Sorry if it is too verbose, really excited to summit Mt Whitney.

Posted By: Kumar12 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 09/13/17 11:56 PM
I will submit my trip report later. I did the day hike on 9/11 (Monday) with couple of my friends. We started around 1:30am and two of us summited at 11:30am and another one summited around noon. I think thunder and lightning started around 1pm when we were about 1 mile on our return trip. I never seen anything like that, we were really scared. Although dark clouds were forming around 10am , they were getting cleared after some time so we kind of took a risk. I don’t think I will ever do that again. The strange thing is that some people were still going when we were returning! I understand it is a very difficult decision to make when we are so close to the Summit but after experiencing the lightning, I don’t think it is worth taking any risk. The snow patch crossing near the summit became very slippery but it was manageable with poles and careful footing. We returned to portal around 8pm, we had to hike the last 2-3 hours in the rain but it was okay as we had rain jackets and head lights. All the water crossings were easy to cross with the support of poles.
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 09/23/17 06:51 PM
There has been some snowfall in the Sierra higher elevations the past several days. It would sure be great if anyone who has hiked this weekend, Saturday 9/23 or later, would post what they found.

Thanks!
9/22 - The first water crossing had ice covered rocks that took out two hikers right in front of me. Much ice on certain sections. The only steep section of ice was right at the cables. I felt secure with poles. The only really difficult element was the cold, very cold.
Less snow than I expected for sure
Posted By: David C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 09/25/17 11:15 PM
Does anybody have an extra pass for next week - Monday, October 2nd, Tuesday, October 3rd, or Wednesday, October 4th?

Feel free to reach out on this message board or by email - dcoher at yahoo dot com.

Thanks!
Posted By: HE_i Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 09/26/17 12:07 AM
oh man...you just missed out. There were 3 available spots on the day that you were looking for but they got grabbed quickly. I've been clicking on it all day trying to get the Oct. 1.
https://www.recreation.gov/entranceDetails.do
Posted By: HE_i Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 09/26/17 12:10 AM
Originally Posted By: David C
Does anybody have an extra pass for next week - Monday, October 2nd, Tuesday, October 3rd, or Wednesday, October 4th?

Feel free to reach out on this message board or by email - dcoher at yahoo dot com.

Thanks!


there's one spot left for the Oct 4
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 09/26/17 03:06 PM
Posted on FB by Elizabeth S:

Quote:
We planned on going in over Cottonwood Pass on Friday, but after an painfully cold night at Horseshoe Meadow, we changed our plans. We were able to snag some overnight permits to go up the Whitney trail and summited on Sunday 9/24. We camped at Outpost camp on the 23 & 24 and it was still below freezing.

Ice on the cable section, but not much else to speak of on the trail. In the morning hours we found some icy rocks on the creek crossing near outpost and some ice on the trail, but it was on a flat spot on the trail and passable.
Posted By: sknlim Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 09/26/17 10:49 PM
Day hike 9/25/2017

I felt like the trail is still in pristine summer conditions if you're planning to hike it after the small storm that past by last week. No issue whatsoever. No micro spikes or trekking pole needed. Simply side step the small ice patch at the cables half way up the switchbacks.
Posted By: Union Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 09/27/17 03:59 AM
Day Hike 9/25/17

Did the entire Mt Whitney Trail yesterday. Current conditions are excellent! If you're going to go, go now. The forecast has it continuing to get warmer throughout the week which is nice. We had almost no clouds and no wind all the way up to the summit. We started at 4:45am and it was 35 degrees. Within about about 2 miles I was shedding layers. The stream crossings were no issue except for outpost camp; there was a fair amount of ice on the rocks which proved challenging. The only other ice on the trail was one switchback at the cables. You could easily side step around it on the rocks like the person above me said. The only snow on the trail was within a mile of the summit and it was maybe 20 feet long and had been well worn. After trail camp, I wore a t-shirt all the way to the summit and back down to trail crest. Then it got pretty chilly when the sun went down. All things considered, we couldn't have asked for a better day to hike then yesterday, good luck!
Posted By: cpSoCal Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 09/28/17 01:48 AM
Agree with Union! My crew had a beautiful day yesterday to do the day hike on 9/26. We started around 1:30am. One of my teammates did slip on the icy rocks and ended up with a wet foot, but thankfully she brought extra socks and was able to continue on.

Below is a photo of the cable section, I had no problem with just regular hiking shoes. Going down I just went on my butt if there was a dodgy part.



The forecast had called for 30mph wind at the summit, so we were prepared for harsh weather. Thankfully we had beautifully sunny skies and only mild wind.

So incredibly grateful for the advice on this forum. It definitely changed the gear I brought with me and I was warm and comfortable the entire time.



A few more pics here
Originally Posted By: cpSoCal


A few more pics here


Did you bring that wooden Whitney sign up to the summit? I don't recall seeing that up there before. smile

Posted By: Ingrid M. Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 10/02/17 02:10 AM
I have one permit for the 4th. My partner blew out her knee and just let me know today cry I did send an e-mail to the e-mail listed.
Posted By: pcieluch Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 10/02/17 01:13 PM
I read on FB someone took a sign down from the summit the other day. She would return it to the owner but they would have to contact her in Bishop.
Posted By: Moxey Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 10/02/17 05:18 PM
My wife and I will be spending the night at trail camp on Sunday 10/8 and planning to summit on Monday 10/9. Does anyone have any feedback regarding recent night time temps at trail camp?? The weather reports have shown recent warmer temps.

Thanks in advance for any info... steve
Posted By: Bob West Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 10/02/17 05:45 PM
Here are forecast temps for the Trail Camp area from the NOAA website:

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php...12#.WdJ6g0bn_3g

Those temperature forecasts do not include wind-chill conditions. You can zoom in (click +)the little map, and point and click, to any area you want and get weather forecasts for that specific area.
Conditions as of October 1, 2017:

Horseshoe Meadow -> New Army Pass -> Rock Creek -> Guitar Lake -> Mt. Whitney -> Whitney Portal

Thur, Sept 28
Horseshoe Meadow: Clear skies, frigid temps (all night and morning), no wind, no snow in sight, plenty of water, low creek crossings, trail in good condition

Fri, Sept 29
New Army Pass: Clear skies, warm temps (@ 12:30 p.m.), no wind, no snow on trail, plenty of water, trail in good condition

Sat, Sept 30
Guitar Lake: Clear skies, warm temps all evening, no wind, no snow on trail, plenty of water, low creek crossings

Sun, Oct 1
Mt. Whitney (via JMT from Guitar Lake): Clear skies, warm at Guitar Lake (@ 1:30 a.m.), no snow on trail, no ice on trail, good condition

Trail Crest to Mt. Whitney; Clear skies, frigid temps (@ 4:30 a.m.); high winds, no snow on trail except for a small 10 yd patch that has melted away

Mt. Whitney Peak: Clear skies, no snow on trail, frigid temps, high winds

Mt. Whitney Trail to Whitney Portal: Clear skies, warm, ice at cables (completely manageable), no snow on trail

Posted By: Hikerdad Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 10/05/17 03:27 AM
Hi Moxy,

A buddy and I are going up 10/11 for a day hike - any trail conditions you can share on the forum would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you in advance!
Posted By: JJE Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 10/09/17 05:51 PM
Hi Raja,
What AMS medication did you use? Diamox?
Sorry to hear that you didn't get to summit.
I had AMS last year that stopped me from summiting. Hopefully this year I'll do it.
Thanks,

Jason
Posted By: jmester82 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 10/10/17 04:10 AM
I was up there saturday 10/7. You'll have smooth hiking conditions for the next few days for sure. Its epic right now!
Posted By: Hikerdad Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 10/11/17 05:02 PM
We did a 1-day hike and summitted yesterday (10/10). We left at 4am and was back to the parking lot by 530pm. The entire day was gorgeous and we had a 30 minute lunch at the summit. Light winds and clear skies! Trail is in great condition. About 15 foot stretch of ice at the cables on the 99 switchbacks - but you can easily get around it. No need for crampons. Wind picked up in the afternoon. Overall amazing day.

We took Altitude RX pills 24 hours before hiking (and through the duration) and did one acclimation hike to Lone Pine Lake the day we arrived (10/9). Other than that no other hikes at altitude. Everything went into slow motion above 13.5k ft. But no headaches or nausea.

A big thanks to everyone for updating trail conditions leading into our hike!
Posted By: Rohit Dube Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 10/11/17 10:31 PM
I have 2 questions:
1. Is it a feasible option to plan Mt. Whitney Summit hike on the weekend of 21-22 Oct 2017?
2. If yes, I know this may sound silly, will I be able to find a group that has permit somehow?
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 10/11/17 11:38 PM
Originally Posted By: Rohit Dube
I have 2 questions:
1. Is it a feasible option to plan Mt. Whitney Summit hike on the weekend of 21-22 Oct 2017?
2. If yes, I know this may sound silly, will I be able to find a group that has permit somehow?

1. Yes, if the weather stays dry.
2. No. Groups don't normally invite strangers to join. But there is currently a single day hike permit available online for Oct 22.
Keep checking, and you may find one for Oct 21, if that's what you want.

Overnight permits are usually available free to anyone walking in at the Visitor Center in Lone Pine in October.
Posted By: Rohit Dube Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 10/16/17 04:01 AM
Anyone who has done Mt. Whitney summit on weekend, did you see any snow anywhere on the trail?
Posted By: Bob West Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 10/16/17 02:03 PM
Conditions will change this time of year as temperatures drop and the storm season approaches. Be prepared for whatever might come, including walking on snow. The NOAA forecast for late this week shows a chance of snow showers on Mt. Whitney. Are you ready for that?

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php...66#.WeS6tUbn_3g
Posted By: rex Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 10/16/17 04:48 PM
Absolutely right. Any time of the year, conditions can change quickly.

On the 14th, we summited with perfect conditions. Sunny and warm at the top, cold in the shade. Camped at Outpost the 13th and 14th. Was sub-freezing night of the 13th, and just above freezing the second night.

There's no snow on the trail, but there's ice in places. Mainly where the cables are.
Posted By: Chris C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 10/17/17 12:59 AM
10/13/17 summit hike

Start time: 3:06am from Whitney Portal trailhead. In the 30s with minimal wind. Clearly defined trail. Saw a bit of iced-over water before we reached Trail Camp, but not an issue at all.

Sunrise was around 6:20am but didn't have sunlight fall on us until about one-fourth of the way up the 99 switchbacks--we must have been over 4 hours into the hike at that point. Finally got our toes warm again (I had Injinji liners with Darn Smart socks as the outer layer in my Goretex Salomons, so my toes were pretty well insulated).

99 switchbacks had ice only at the Cables, but it was easily managed (we could step along the side of the icy patch, which stretched about 30 feet, I think). That was the only area that had ice of any concern at the time of our hike, but I'm sure that's going to change as it gets colder. We brought our traction cleats but didn't use them.

Stayed chilly throughout the ascent and back down. We essentially didn't change our clothes from beginning to end (beanies, down jackets, hoods, etc). It got a little windy at times, but wind didn't feel like a concern.

Returned to the Whitney Portal parking lot a little past 7:30pm, about one hour after dark. Roundtrip in 16.5 hours. Amazing hike!
First off, thanks to all who post on this board. It is an invaluable resource, and I'm not sure what I would have done without the info and insight here.

Second, to all the people who have summited Whitney, I salute you. It is grueling, it is relentless, it is the most physically taxing thing I have ever done. I think I experienced every range of human emotion possible: anger, sadness, ecstasy.

Summited on Friday, 10/20. Started a little after 2 am, summited at 9 am. Back down around 2:30 pm. 38 yo, relatively fit (so I thought), and did an acclimation climb to Lone Pine Lake the day before.

It was COLD and WINDY. My water and Gatorade was frozen by the switchbacks. My snot froze. Was not at all mentally prepared for 40+ MPH gusts at the top. We were the first group up, so did not get the benefit of getting reports from other hikers, but suffice it to say if I had to do it over again I may not push through towards summit considering this was my first attempt and first big hike.

Cable section had ice but very easy to go around. No crampons or micro spikes necessary. I had hiking boots and poles, which I used like a cane coming down because my entire lower body was aching.

Body is hurting today, but spirits are high. I wish you all happy and safe climbing.

Thanks,
John
Posted By: Jorge18 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 10/24/17 09:33 PM
Hello everyone, Im planning on solo hiking Mt Whitney on November 4th. I did it back in july 1st but i was with a friend. Just curious if anyone else is planning on doing it that day as a day hike.Just asking to calm my nerves haha.
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 10/25/17 03:39 AM
Wow, Jorge18! November is especially late to hike. Of course the permits are a sure thing. If no storms come in before then, the trail will be clear and dry, but it's guaranteed to be cold! If there is any wind, it will be bitter cold!

Carry your water inside your pack, as anything outside may freeze. Camel-back water setups can freeze in the tube, so a bottle is better.

Right now, temperatures are on the above normal side, so hiking this week would have been much easier.

Good luck, and be sure to turn back if things get too severe.
Posted By: Jorge18 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 10/25/17 04:06 AM
I spoke to someone today that gave me the same advice. He said when he did it a couple days ago it was really sunny but really cold. He also said there was ice in some areas. I know the weather can be really unpredictable up there but hopefully it remains the same. I'm just hoping there will be people up there haha. I can't be the only one thinking of attempting it.
Posted By: Rohit Dube Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 10/25/17 10:08 PM
Thank you all for all the advice and suggestions. Was able to successfully summit Mt Whitney on 23rd Oct without any issues.
Weather was perfectly fine for all the 17 hours of my hike. It was windy at the summit and was getting cold. I will suggest carrying pair of gloves and a mask to cover your face(nose and ears).
There was no need for crampons as the trail is pretty clear of snow and ice. But do check the weather on the day of your hike.
Again, thank you all.
Posted By: JMH Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 10/26/17 05:55 PM
I dont have that much experience hiking but my 3rd favorite hike of all time was whitney 2016 in about the middle of november. There was a small "warm spell" so i jumped on a plane and went out there. Only 4 cars at portal when i got there the night before the hike. I got lucky and the next day there was not a cloud in the sky for like the whole day and very little wind. I saw 1 person coming down and two people at lone pine lake the entire day all the way to mirror lake. Id guess from memory that is was like 20 to 30 degrees. I carried an ultra lite 20 degree bag and shelter. It got icy above mirror lake on those flat spots and on those stairs on the way up to trail side so for safety i turned around. But it was amazing to be up there almost all by myself. Im sure you know this but there are lots of posts on this site about people getting trapped in snow storms up there so you need to obviously be smart about your plans. Im running errands at lunch and have to go back into work so i can only sit back and dream about how great whitney can be in november if you get lucky with the weather.
Posted By: tomkwheeler Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 10/26/17 10:46 PM
I was noting a post from 9/25 and here it is a month later, and like that post, the conditions as of last weekend were still like summer, to the summit. Hmm. Just keep watching the wind. The late season chill is serious stuff if the wind kicks up.
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 11/14/17 01:15 AM
Here's a useful current trip report: DAY HIKE 11-11-17
Hey! I'm headed up to Whitney next weekend (Thanksgiving weekend), and I was wondering what the snow is like up there after the storm this last 48 hours. Wondering if I need to lug up crampons and ice axes if the snow is unconsolidated. Thanks!
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 11/17/17 10:13 PM
Crampons could be useful. Ice axe: not enough consolidated snow anywhere that an axe would help.
Posted By: sogood Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 11/21/17 10:01 PM
I'm also looking at going up this weekend-- after calling the rangers, they didn't have a lot of information because folks don't usually report after the return to the station. They don't even know if anyone has summited since that first snow.

They heard from one party that went up last Friday (11/17) that they had ankle-deep snow at Lone Pine Lake, but it's been warm so much of that has probably melted... snowshoes might be the name of the game.

I called the local gear shop, Elevation, for any other beta based on what people are renting, but I haven't heard back yet from them.

I'll let you know if I hear any more and hope you'll keep us updated, too!
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 11/22/17 12:39 AM
Here's Outpost Camp last Saturday, Nov 18.
posted on FB by Mario T. He reported seeing 2' of snow at Trail Camp.



Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 11/22/17 06:21 AM
Posted on Instagram by Ryan H
His caption: "we were the only ones there 11/17/17"


Will do! Me and a buddy are headed up Friday. We're going to try and spend the night at Outpost, and use all day Saturday to summit. A little worried about that storm forecasted for Sunday.
Posted By: Brian B Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 11/23/17 05:04 PM
I hiked 11/22. Started at 9am after camping at the trail head and getting a very late start. Snow and ice starting 1 mile in. Nothing you couldn't handle without poles but it was definitely slippery in areas with no sun and people were wearing microspikes. There was a decent amount of ice early in the day on the logs during the first river crossing that actually caused me slip and fall into the knee-deep water, and it took me an hour to dry off (bring extra socks!!!) but by the evening the ice had mostly melted and it was far easier to cross going back (I debated wearing crampons going back but it seems unnecessary). By the first camp there was a decent amount of snow, maybe knee high. I then snapped lots of pictures in this area and turned back. It took me 9am - 130pm going up, with an hour to dry off plus time to eat and take pictures on the way up, and 2-330pm to get back after 30 minutes of pictures and walking around the first camp area.

Two notes:
-One or two switchbacks were being cut so I tried to create the proper trail
-Once you get near the first camp, stay to the left. There is a false path going across the stream through the meadow. This made me waste some time so although that path may eventually go where you want it to, it's not fun.
Could you post some of those pics?? laugh
Posted By: Brian B Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 11/24/17 06:03 AM
One more thing: I left a cooler bag with a sealed piece of salmon along with 4 Sierra Nevada beers and some sunscreen in a bear storage locker. I won't be able to return anytime soon to grab them, so they are fair game! I plan on alerting the staff tomorrow.




Trip Report (11-24-17)

Me and a buddy hiked up to Bighorn Park, and turned around. Out of about 25-30 climbers coming down from Trail Camp, only one had made it. He said there was chest high snow up near Trail Crest, and that the 99 switchbacks were dangerous with the amount of powder snow accumulated on them.

Trail conditions as of Friday. The first 1.5 mile is free of snow, with just a little patch on the trail after the North Fork of Lone Pine Creek crossing. Snow begins a third of the way up to Lone Pine Lake from the creek crossing. The trail is worn down, and therefore has become icy. A lot of hikers were using micro spikes. The log crossing right before Lone Pine Creek is totally doable, and there is little ice left. Above Lone Pine Lake you start to notice a lot more snow but the trail is easy to follow. Above Bighorn Park, snowshoes would be useful, postholing is exhausting.
mtnlover1990 on that "other" message board gave a condition up date on the MR:

Quote:
Conditions as of 11/24/17:

The main gully has a wind slab 4-16 in thick laying on top of a heavy-ish sugar snow. No shooting cracks or whomphing but I opted to climb the rock to the right (more sugar snow on top of rounded boulders) until reaching the notch. A large section of snow in the middle had been torn out suggestive of rockfall that did not trigger a larger slab avalanche.

After the notch, similar conditions exist in the gully leading to summit while the rock to the left is nice and dry albeit steeper.

Expect lots of post holing on the approach to iceberg lake, especially in wind-loaded areas after the snow expected today.


Anybody have more recent info? My brother and I are contemplating an attempt in a few weeks.
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 12/21/17 05:41 AM
Posted on Instagram, Dec 20, 2017, by Ryley F


Lone Pine Lake

Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 12/22/17 05:59 AM
Mario T made it to the summit Dec 20.

He wrote on FB:
I made it to the summit yesterday. The weather changed yesterday majorly and made the Mt Whitney trail conditions a bit more difficult There is plenty of ice on the trail starting around 8500 elevation and going to about 10 000 ft elevation. After that snow is consistent all the way up the summit. The night before last night I slept on the Mt Whitney Trail Crest and the wind was pretty dramatic. The temperature dropped below - 20F( that was the max on my keychain) and stayed consistently like that over 13000 ft throughout the day yesterday. The snow is very firm on higher elevation so micro spikes or crampons are helpful. Ice axe is a given. Happy Trails and Happy Holidays!

His picture:
Posted By: sogood Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 12/23/17 10:06 PM
Hey Snacking Bear! Did you ever check out the MR? Have anything to report?

I'm looking at heading out there next weekend. If there ever was a way to bring in the new year... this sure seems like it.
Posted By: bluewater Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 01/07/18 12:00 PM
Long time lurker, infrequent poster here. I just noticed this trip report on FB from the main trail last week (12/28/2017). Very little snow, looks like trail runners were ok, but not for long if the forecasted storm arrives tomorrow.





The trip report here:

https://stevensong.com/usa/california/mount-whitney/
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 01/07/18 08:29 PM
bluewater: Thanks so much for sharing the link!

"stevensong" posted a lot of good pictures showing the conditions of all the important places. Sure wish more hikers would share like that. He also has a Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/icyicefield/

So true that conditions like he reported are probably already gone. I noticed on the webcam views that there was significant snowfall above 10,000' just yesterday (Sat, Jan 6, 2018).
Posted By: bluewater Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 01/08/18 02:18 AM
I appreciate all of the valuable information here on the WZ. I check in regularly and might actually have something to add after a trip next weekend. . .
Posted By: DQ922 Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 01/10/18 03:21 AM
Are you going next week to Mt Whitney? That will be a very cool thing.:-)
Posted By: bluewater Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 01/10/18 06:00 AM
I was planning on going this weekend, and may still go depending on conditions, but the Inyo County Sheriff's Office posted this info on their FB page today. . .

Inyo County Sheriff's Office

UPDATED INYO COUNTY ROAD INFORMATION

Whitney Portal Road, closed due to snow and rocks in the roadway, will re-evaluate after the storm
Onion Valley Road, closed due to snow, will re-evaluate after the storm
South Lake Road, above Bishop Creek Lodge, closed for the season
North Lake Road, closed for the season
Sabrina Road, closed for the season
Horseshoe Meadows Road, closed at the gate, closed for the season
Rock Creek Lakes Road, closed at the snow park, closed for the season
White Mountain Road, open as of today

With this photo:

Posted By: drtolo Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 01/23/18 04:53 AM
Does anyone have any updated information on conditions? I was hoping to summit in the next week or two. Is Whitney Portal Road currently open?
Posted By: Steve C Re: Current Conditions: Mt Whitney Trail - 01/23/18 04:22 PM
Try calling Inyo County road dept: 760-878-0202
Ask if that gate is still locked. Pls let us know what you hear.
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