I did not say I could on-sight a 12a. I said I would rather try on-sighting a 12a, sport of course, and probably fall all over the place and fail, then climb that loose gully. You guys are harsh! Anyway, I was just trying to warn any rock climbers how loose the gully was, just in case they hate loose rock as much as I hate loose rock. I wish I were as brave as you guys, but I definitely am not. One love, from a lover of climbing