Thanks Bob-

I agree and was thinking in general terms about everything you posted but I'm not qualified like you to provide these details. So I'm glad you posted.

While hiking accross the 99th switchback in the "dry" July summer last year, I only just looked down the chute. I can only imagine what it would be like to tumble down that chute if it were all iced up.

I guess its a personal choice but if I do try crampons someday there is no way for me that it would be on Whitney.

Jeff