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#15657 - 06/26/11 07:06 PM Old Trail - Trailhead
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I figure this deserves its own thread so that the information isn't lost in other threads and also so that other threads aren't cluttered with the information.

First, an overview of the old trail, google earth style:


and then from actual ground level photos.

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#15659 - 06/26/11 07:20 PM Re: Old Trail - Trailhead [Re: tdtz]
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Ahh, yes -- I remember that rock! When we came apon that rock, Doug, Sr. took the biggest UPhill stride I have ever seen and walked up and over that rock(I hesitated before following -- I was sure that gravity was not on my side -- but followed anyway .....later, I learned that it was somewhat of a skill test that he puts newbies through)
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#15663 - 06/26/11 09:41 PM Re: Old Trail - Trailhead [Re: tdtz]
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Here's Bob R's map of the Old Trail. The blue line is the MMWT (Main Mt Whitney Trail), starting at Whitney Portal. The Red line is the old foot-trail. Its start can be found by walking west past the Whitney Portal Store almost to the point where it loops around and down to the parking area below the store.




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#15664 - 06/26/11 09:57 PM Re: Old Trail - Trailhead [Re: tdtz]
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Here's a satellite view. You can see the parking lot below the store. Moving to the left (west) next is the road, then the rock pictured above, and a piece of the old trail just left of the crosshairs. The old trail starts below (s of) the big rock and goes behind it, then zig-zags up to the left, going out of view on the top edge of the view near the left corner. Drag the map to the right to see the trail.

Gmap4 embedded version (Same map, separate window)


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#15673 - 06/27/11 06:36 AM Re: Old Trail - Trailhead [Re: Steve C]
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I use it on the way down. It cuts 5 to 10 minutes off your time. Obviously, it has not been maintained in decades.

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#15729 - 06/27/11 07:36 PM Re: Old Trail - Trailhead [Re: wbtravis]
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I've been down that trail (last year) and the description above is great when starting at the parking lot. However, can someone refresh my memory as to where the turn off is when coming down? I want to say it's close to a sign.

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#15732 - 06/27/11 08:11 PM Re: Old Trail - Trailhead [Re: TFC]
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I think it's right past the John Muir Wilderness sign on the way down. If you aren't looking for it, you'll miss it. BUT, though you avoid the water, that trail is pretty steep and not maintained. At the end of a hike, you really need to watch yourself.
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#15734 - 06/27/11 09:40 PM Re: Old Trail - Trailhead [Re: quillansculpture]
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#16877 - 07/30/11 09:05 AM Re: Old Trail - Trailhead [Re: tdtz]
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in light of the flash flood action this weekend, it's probably not a bad idea to always know where the alternate trails are located so as to avoid swollen rivers.

bump

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#16882 - 07/30/11 09:23 AM Re: Old Trail - Trailhead [Re: tdtz]
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Great detail and description of the old trail. I kinda of knew where everyone was talking about but this makes it clear as a bell.
Thanks tdz

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#16981 - 08/01/11 12:59 PM Re: Old Trail - Trailhead [Re: Rod]
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Hi,
I have used this trail for the last 5 years, since I heard about it. This is a great short cut and a good trail. I think this is used by the rangers.
We have had some strange looks when we take pictures at the "Portal trail" sign then hop back in the truck and drive around the corner.
On the turn around the pond, just before the parking lot, look for a very large angular rock,(this is due west of the pond), walk behind it to find the trail. Many switchbacks and you end up at the first turn above Lone Pine Creek.
This trail took me awhile to find and I tried several times from the top, but was afraid I would walk down the wrong trail. So I looked for it from the bottom and finally found it.
Good luck,
Bill

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#16990 - 08/01/11 05:09 PM Re: Old Trail - Trailhead [Re: tdtz]
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tdtz,

Based on your ground level photo, I was able to fine the old trail when I was at the portal a couple of weeks ago. The line you drew to indicate the trail goes around the big rock was a big help to me.

Thanks for posting and for sharing the SPOT track. I have hiked many a similar trail over the years.

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#16991 - 08/01/11 05:14 PM Re: Old Trail - Trailhead [Re: wazzu]
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wazzu,
my pleasure!
tom

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#21402 - 02/11/12 06:52 PM Re: Old Trail - Trailhead [Re: tdtz]
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The picture above from tdtz somehow does not give you a good perspective of the size of that rock.
Here's his picture:


And one of the same rock with someone standing beside it:


That rock is huge -- as big as the Portal Store!

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#21403 - 02/11/12 07:05 PM Re: Old Trail - Trailhead [Re: Steve C]
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Wow, that really does give it some perspective.

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#24407 - 05/28/12 12:24 AM Re: Old Trail - Trailhead [Re: tdtz]
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I hiked up the old trail, counting the switchbacks. There are about 30. Here is the upper end of the old trail, where it connects to the Main Trail.



This point is 30 paces (left-right is one pace) from the North Fork Lone Pine Creek crossing.

Looking toward the North Fork Lone Pine creek:



And fifteen paces from the Wilderness signs:


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#24408 - 05/28/12 12:33 AM Re: Old Trail - Trailhead [Re: Steve C]
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There were three trees blown down over the old trail.

This one's root mass blocks the trail, but is easy to get by. Those roots are 8 feet high!




This one and a smaller one on the next switchback up were cleared by the end of the day:


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#24415 - 05/28/12 07:23 AM Re: Old Trail - Trailhead [Re: Steve C]
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Steve,
What do you estimate the old trail saves you - distance and time? Do you miss the creek crossing? Also, are there any down sides to the old trail?
Thanks!


Edited by John Sims (05/28/12 07:25 AM)

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#24434 - 05/28/12 06:42 PM Re: Old Trail - Trailhead [Re: John Sims]
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I don't know on saving time. From the clock time on the pictures I took, it took me about 25 minutes to walk from the main trailhead, past the store, up the old trail to the main trail. I was carrying a 24 lb pack, and I stopped to take pictures of the several fallen trees.

Maybe someone else can measure and post their time up the Main Trail to the North Fork crossing. I don't think it saves much, since you are still climbing the exact same elevation, and the 30 switchbacks cover a lot of distance.

I don't think there is any down-side to using the old trail, only it may be slightly steeper. It is a nice variation.

And it hits the main trail just AFTER it crosses the North Fork on the way up.

Edit: Got this via PM (private message -- that blinking flag at the top of the page)
The old trail is 0.3 mile shorter than the main trail. But since you have to walk at least 0.1 mile past the store to the old trail, it is only .2 shorter.


Edited by Steve C (05/28/12 08:31 PM)

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#24455 - 05/29/12 02:38 AM Re: Old Trail - Trailhead [Re: Steve C]
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Given the steepness of the Old Trail, the only real advantage is when you are returning to the Portal and going down the trail. I don't see any advantage in going up it when you are heading up the trail at the beginning of your hike.

CaT
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