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Then debate the topic. Both of your positions have been stated, and if there's any question, reviewing the ump-teen pages of rehash on those positions will drive the points home.

For the record, I don't agree with either position. I don't really care if someone carries or not. Even if I'm crapping my pants because I'm scared of the individual, you will NEVER see it. I am more scared of unprepared people in ANY situation, be it using snow gear properly or shooting warning shots into the air (the bullets have to come down SOMETIME).

You admitted to baiting Fuji on the other thread. You're doing the same here. I don't care how old you are (which is also a common question on all 3, yes 3!!!, boards. Baiting an argument is childish.

Move on.

If you want to open carry where it's legal, go for it. The only logical reason I can think of is you want to draw attention to yourself. Much like these people:

www.peopleofwalmart.com

There are a LOT of things that are perfectly legal that most folks don't do simply out respect for others..............................................DUG

Laura,
I'm pretty sure all of my questions to the "carry because I can" people have been confined to why they would carry in Yosemite Valley and why they would carry loaded in a Yosemite car camp campground campsite. I also think that anyone who would carry in these places needs to have their reasons made public so people can see them in the light of day stripped of the NRA rhetoric and extraordinary lame self protection arguments.

For the record, I am now and have been most of my life a multiple firearm owner, I believe carrying concealed should be allowed by most everyone if they choose, but I can't sit by and give the "carry because I can" people a free ride when it comes to being armed in Yosemite in the manner and places I've mentioned.

You analogy's are very comical DUG although i'm not sure I understand the one about the super bright lights, I don't know how candle light rating compare to lumens but I carry a 100 lumen flashlight and would actually like to buy that 300 lumen headlamp =P, whether you shine that massive light in the eyes of those that pass you is a whole different thing lol.

The Ipod one is not the same also, it's based on face value, the reasons why it bothers them and is rude is quite simple, why a gun is bothersome I think we have already shown to be a far more complex matter, one which we cannot resolve between us.



Rofl!



If fired up then simple science dictates they cannot harm you, an object can only fall so fast.



I'm sorry that after all our discussion I have failed to change your mind about those sorts of assumptions.

I'm now noting back to when I said I gave up on debating anything with people on forums because after countless hours you get no where.



Very true but I cannot think of one that holds the same implications that this example does.

Since Mike mentioned the NRA I need to state I do not support the NRA at all, they have been completely taken over by government influences and work more often to help create more gun control laws.

Photo,

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read...n-it-comes-down

Photo,
Am I reading this correctly?

On the other hand, I've heard people claim that the Government had been taken over by the NRA.

AlanK,
Are you a "Conspiracy Theorist"? You sound like one.

Are you SERIOUS? Please for the love of GOD tell me you don't SERIOUSLY think that is true. My gawd man..............................................DUG

> I'm sorry that after all our discussion I have failed to change your mind

It's a very rare situation where arguing/debating with someone will result in their changing their mind.

Obviously more learning going on here...

Roque,
This will help make sense of it. Since we don't like the metric system in the US we use stuff like foot candles and lumins.

http://www.theledlight.com/lumens.html

Doesn't that quote finish with, "but you're still and idiot."?

This absolutely flies in the face of intuitive metaphysics. How can an object fall from the sky faster than a feather?

Photo... if DUG's disbelieving utterances don't make you double-check your facts... look to MythBusters... they know everything! (Or you can just google it and find all sorts of interesting information...)

http://mythbustersresults.com/episode50

I was only passing on something I'd heard.

My head spins too fast when I hear conspiracy theories, so I don't think I'm qualified to cook them up.

Alan,
You are a weakling!

Glad I bring a little humor - I try not to take some things too seriously. My flashlight analogy is simple - Openly carrying a gun in the backcountry (or car camping spots) is basicly visually offensive. It is certainly legal (usualy) and one's RIGHT to do so, but it makes a lot of people uneasy. The light I picked out for my analogy is rated at 3335 lumes which will make your 300 lume light look like a pen light on a sunny day. It is legal for me to use any light I want to hike the trail and it has been suggested that Just Because I Want To should be good enough reason. Even if it is visually offensive to most and would frighten Stevie Wonder. Same thing for the iPod and speakers. I haven't heard of a law that makes rocking one illegal on the trail.

My analogy, my point, my reason for typing is - I beleive that those who open carry are doing it for attention even though they know it is visually offensive to some and could cause some to be uneasy.

If I were a bad guy in the backcountry I would TARGET someone open carrying. Why? He/she probably has something worth protecting and I can see the damn thing. It's those I can't see and track that I would stay away from. If nothing else while I distract him and my partner hits them over the head with a sierra provided rock, we will score his gun and pack.....................................................DUG

In regards to the falling bullets being dangerous I am quite dumb founded that an object so small could fall at fast enough speed with the wind resistance to be dangerous, I based the initial statement off what I thought was a long dispelled myth about throwing coins off high buildings because of the air slowing them down, perhaps if that much is true then its based off the fact that a coin would probably flip through the air creating more drag vs a bullet.



I don't know how your reading it...



That's a new one for me!

I'm glad I amuse you, but know that my comment to Mike was in no way a defense of your drivel. You make gross assumptions about issues, generalize information for which you have no supportive evidence other than personal experience, and contradict yourself at every turn (knowingly or otherwise). When you first came on the scene, asking about routes and peaks, a number of us, myself included, attempted to offer answers to your questions and suggestions for safe strategy in the mountains. You disregarded the advice, treating those who might, indeed, have a bit more experience than you like those you would meet on the trail while wearing a piece, stating how little you cared about others and, actually, even yourself, discussing being left on high if you perished.

You claimed there were no bears in Horseshoe Meadows because you had never seen one.

You openly discussed, in the presence and after warnings from a veteran and highly respected backcountry ranger, your intentions to place food drops so you could avoid paying resupply fees.

If you want to carry a piece, fine. No one is getting anywhere with you, either, in this discussion. But I simply hope you've been trained in proper use and upkeep, you realize that ANY action you take could have consequences (ie: shooting into the air... why not shoot at the animal's feet if you're feeling threatened???), and that you take good care not to do anything stupid in the backcountry.

From here on out, ignore button (thanks, Bee) engaged.

This thread is getting a well deserved time out.