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#29027 - 11/08/12 04:05 PM Re: SF prop F seeks plan to drain Hetch Hetchy [Re: Steve C]
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Registered: 12/08/09
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Well that's because my heart is not in it anymore. I make blanket statements without displaying facts behind it all. I just don't have the time or desire to do that sort of digging that ultimately still does nothing. People strongly exist on one side of the information war or the other. We literally live in two different worlds and we cannot bridge the gap.
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#29028 - 11/08/12 04:28 PM Re: SF prop F seeks plan to drain Hetch Hetchy [Re: RoguePhotonic]
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Registered: 09/22/09
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Originally Posted By: RoguePhotonic
.....I make blanket statements without displaying facts behind it all. I just don't have the time or desire to do that sort of digging that ultimately still does nothing.....


In a word: Diatribe



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#29029 - 11/08/12 05:05 PM Re: SF prop F seeks plan to drain Hetch Hetchy [Re: Bee]
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Registered: 10/07/09
Posts: 2249
Loc: Humbug Reach (Pop. 3)
I've not commented on this thread, mostly because I'm conflicted - I feel Muir's outrage, but have enjoyed the Hetch as it stands, a lot.

I did lead a Sierra Club National outing along with the principals of Restore Hetch Hetchy in 2000, through the Grand Canyon of the Tolumne. Wonderful!

Two thoughts:

I don't know how prone this lake is to silting, but given time, all impoundments will be rendered useless. Then you have millions of tons of stuff to clean up.

Secondly, as the downstream beneficiaries have taken this gift from the People of the Country, they should be required to collect some slice of money from the water bills & use that to help remediate water problems in other National Park areas. Cape Cod comes to mind. And yes, I am aware that SF does kick back about $5 million a year to Yosemite. That's nowhere near the benefits SF has been enjoying for nearly a century.
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#29030 - 11/08/12 05:38 PM Re: SF prop F seeks plan to drain Hetch Hetchy [Re: saltydog]
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Registered: 11/12/09
Posts: 1255
Loc: Atlanta
Okay Salty, you're correct. I'll amend that from "plan" to "loosely fluid proposal". Sounds about right.

I wonder if the fervor to restore Hetch Hetchy would be as dynamic if it had been naturally dammed 100 years ago by an event such as an earthquake. The results would be the same - JM's beloved valley lost - but would the lake then be regarded as a natural wonder and revered? Is the crux of the issue that the valley is flooded, or is it that it was rendered that way by the hand of man?


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#29035 - 11/08/12 08:07 PM Re: SF prop F seeks plan to drain Hetch Hetchy [Re: Steve C]
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Registered: 12/08/09
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Quote:
In a word: Diatribe


Well that could only be considered if I knew what side of the information any given person on this forum is on and I intentionally make statements with no intention to explain once the person has lost their control which I never do. However it must be noted that statements made by plenty of other people are not only considered by me to be pure second hand propaganda but highly offensive. But hell what can you do.
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#29036 - 11/08/12 08:34 PM Re: SF prop F seeks plan to drain Hetch Hetchy [Re: wagga]
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Wagga: SF does not "kick back" one red cent more to Yosemite than the 30k required by the Raker Act: that 5 million is payment for services rendered by the Park Service: Road maintenance, security, water monitoring, etc. all incidental to its operation of the reservoir and dam. If there is any net benefit to the Park or Treasury Dept from that, its only because NPS is padding its bill.
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