Originally Posted By: Fishmonger
Originally Posted By: saltydog
On the other hand, snow has a much higher specific heat than earth or rock (and most other things), and even at higher temperature, will suck up heat much faster than even significantly colder rock. You can demonstrate this simply. Put an ice-cube size rock in the freezer overnight. Next day, hold the rock in one hand and an ice cube in the other for a while, or drop each in a glass of water and feel the difference.

Thats why we use ice in our drinks instead of, say, chilled marbles, and why melting snow is such a lousy (if necessary) source of water.

For thermal qualities, give me dry rock, gravel or sand over snow any time. Frozen soil is somewhere in between.


ice doesn't "suck the heat" from the glass, it melts faster because it is warmer than the rock, which will probably form ice on its outside when droppped into water. But none of that simulates sleeping on an insulated pad.

Holding an ice cube and a cold rock in thin neoprene gloves for half an hour is what you want to do after that night in the freezer, and do that in a place that is as cold as that freezer. Now you have a fair test that simulates what happens under your ground pad and tent floor when it's really cold.



Bit of a late addition here Im afraid
Melting Ice or Snow is an example of an endothermic reaction, which draws energy from the environment in the process of the reaction this may be why the Ice cube feels colder. It is incorrect to say the ice is warmer if they are both at the same temperature. clearly. Also we need to take into account "the latent heat of conversion" IE the ice at zero degrees Celsius (or there abouts) draws energy from the environment to become water at zero degrees Celsius ( or there abouts) the energy has not raised the temperature in this part of the reaction,it has broken the extra hydrogen bonds formed in the open lattice structure of ice compared to water

Probably irrelevant in regards to the overall discussion.

Sarah C