Thanks wbtravis for your response. As far as Hale and Young go, are their use trails that are easy to pick up or is it just kind of bushwhack your own trail? And as far as army pass goes, I was thinking of taking it initially, but was hesitant after talking with some people and reading some things on here that made it seem like it wasn't in the best shape and/or hard to pick up? Am i wrong in this assumption?