Hi Steve,

was looking at other threads and people seem to prefer the Mountaineers route early season since its shorter. Does that need a separate permit or is it the same as for the Main Trail? Also I am guessing the chute on the Mountaineer's route is steeper than the chute on the Main trail. But is there anything else that makes it more technical? Where can I learn more about that route and what are your thoughts on giving that a try on May 1st? None of us have any experience with technical ice climbing so if that is necessary it will immediately rule it out of course but am hoping the gear list does not change.

Thanks