Sheesh people! I was just trying to encourage DUG to try Mt Muir, not some 5.15 overhang, or Echo Col or Clyde Minaret. I wouldn't get close to any of the last three, and I wouldn't encourage DUG to try. I was just talking about Mt Muir.

Please, ya kinda blasted me with the anger and harsh words and extreme examples. frown
I have to admit, though, that I quite a few times I have underestimated the difficulty of some terrain. What most of us would cruise through have turned out to be major obstacles for someone I encouraged to come along. So I'll offer my apology.

But I still think DUG, based on his climbing the MR, and his routfinding to the Gamblers site, could get up and back down Muir.