That thread has a fair amount of thoughtful, and thought-provoking, material. Along with some apparent attempts to drag it down. I hope that Doug does not kill the whole thread.

Steve -- Yes, wilderness focus should not be lost. Setting aside discussion of guns for a moment, if we could keep Doritos out of parked cars at Whitney Portal, the bears would have to go back to their long-forgotten natural diet. I'm not sure there's any hope for the summit marmots, though. There will always be enough crumbs, plus the occasional pack left unguarded, to keep them fat.