You know, I'm not blind to the concept of adventure and pushing the envelope. In fact, quite supportive. Even in my sailing circles, there is great disparity in opinion on this subject, quite passionately held. I guess the line that gets crossed for me, is rooted in my experiences with families that have lost a child. There is nothing that compensates, it is a loss that never goes away. However, when what is involved is something avoidable, the guilt is unbelievable, at least among most people. I just can't fathom going into that water voluntarily.